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From: Bart Braem <bart.braem@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev]  Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:48:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e3cplj$jv3$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20060404121850.GD6101@sympatico.ca

(sorry if you receive this mail twice, my subscription was not ok)

Philip Webb wrote:

> 060404 Caleb Tennis wrote:
>> historically we were much more bleeding edge with our stable KDE
>> versions, but if you've spent any significant time playing with 3.5.0 or
>> 3.5.1, you would agree that they are terribly less stable than 3.4.3.
> 
> Not here !  I've used both (successively) every day
> & can't recall a single crash or noteworthy (indeed any) problem.
> It's true that I don't use Kmail & similar exchange-type apps
> & some comments suggest that is where the bulk of instability lies.
> 
> The fact that KDE itself is no longer accepting bugs for 3.4.3
> really does suggest there's something wrong with Gentoo's current
> criteria.
> 
As a user I have to add my opinion here. I have been using Gentoo for some
years now and it was always fairly up to date. Currently KDE is really
behind on the current situation upstream. 
And then I wonder why. What makes us think we can not trust the KDE devs?
Does compiling KDE introduce so many bugs? I mean, let's be serious, all
other distributions have a stable 3.5.x now. Don't they experience all
those horrible bugs?
Seriously, this is really becoming an issue. As I pointed out in a bug I
filed for a stable KDE (for which I apologize, I should have looked here
first), some people are leaving Gentoo because of this slow upgrade
process. 
The classical answer from devs is "it's ready when it's ready". From a user
point of view this is very, very vague. Please give users a more clear
explanation, this creates great frustration when looking at other
distributions. Because it's stable there.

These are my 2 cents as a user. One that loves Gentoo. One that loves KDE.
One that's frustrated by the current situation. I am a CS so I know how
hard programming can be, don't get me wrong there. I do appreciate what you
guys do. But I can't understand why you do it this way right now.

Bart

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-04 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-03 23:05 [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable? m h
2006-04-03 23:11 ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-04-03 23:44   ` Aron Griffis
2006-04-04  2:16   ` Kari Hazzard
2006-04-04  2:28     ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-04-04  2:50       ` lnxg33k
2006-04-04  3:23         ` Jason S
2006-04-04  3:37       ` Kari Hazzard
2006-04-04 15:12         ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-04-04 16:11           ` Kari Hazzard
2006-04-04 16:37             ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-04-04 17:04               ` m h
2006-04-04 17:42                 ` Phil Richards
2006-04-04 21:05                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-04-04 21:09               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-04-04 20:55           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-04-04 16:42       ` Simon Stelling
2006-04-04 20:52       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-04-04  2:37     ` Grant Goodyear
2006-04-04 12:05       ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-04-04  9:21   ` Michael Cummings
2006-04-04  9:42     ` Jan Kundrát
2006-04-04 10:38       ` Michael Cummings
2006-04-03 23:13 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-04-03 23:25   ` m h
2006-04-04  5:51     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-04-04  6:16       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-04 10:10         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-04-04  6:09   ` [gentoo-dev] " Philip Webb
2006-04-04  6:42     ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-04-04 10:28       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-04-04 12:03       ` [gentoo-dev] " Philip Webb
2006-04-04  9:12   ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-04-04  9:51     ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-04-04 10:14     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-04-04 10:38       ` Caleb Tennis
2006-04-04 11:17         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-04-04 12:18         ` [gentoo-dev] " Philip Webb
2006-05-04 11:48           ` Bart Braem [this message]
2006-05-04 12:18             ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-04 12:30               ` Jeff Rollin
2006-05-05  7:14               ` Philip Webb
2006-05-05  7:35                 ` Jakub Moc
2006-05-05  7:56                   ` Philip Webb
2006-05-05  8:11                     ` Jakub Moc
2006-05-05  9:03                       ` Michael Kirkland
2006-05-05  8:16                   ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-05-05 20:09                 ` Jeff Smelser
2006-05-06  9:03                 ` Richard Fish
2006-05-04 12:21             ` Jeff Rollin
2006-05-04 13:45               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-04 14:28                 ` Jeff Rollin
2006-05-04 23:29               ` Michael Kirkland
2006-05-05  5:28                 ` Jeff Rollin
2006-05-05 10:30                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-05  6:32                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
2006-05-05 11:20                   ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-05 13:23                     ` Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
2006-05-05 14:38                       ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-05 18:37                         ` Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
2006-05-05 19:10                           ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-05 19:08                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-05  7:20                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Bart Braem
2006-05-05  8:03                   ` Harald van Dijk
2006-05-05  8:33                   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-05-05  8:43                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Bart Braem
2006-05-05 11:28                       ` Duncan
2006-05-05  8:57                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Patrick Lauer
2006-05-05  9:44                   ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-06  6:48                     ` Philip Webb
2006-05-06 11:41                       ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-06 12:48                         ` Philip Webb
2006-05-06 13:01                           ` Jakub Moc
2006-05-06 13:18                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-05 10:50                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Caleb Tennis
2006-05-05 11:27                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Bart Braem
2006-05-05 11:19                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-05 11:50                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Bart Braem
2006-05-06  9:28                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Richard Fish
2006-05-05  7:37                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Philip Webb
2006-05-05 11:00                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-05 21:52                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Jan Kundrát
2006-05-05 12:03                 ` Marius Mauch
2006-05-04 13:05             ` Duncan
2006-05-04 13:47               ` Guillaume Pujol
2006-05-06  8:56             ` Richard Fish
2006-04-04 11:50     ` [gentoo-dev] " Carsten Lohrke
2006-04-08 13:41 ` Wernfried Haas

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