From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2D4D13832E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 18:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70DDDE0B8D; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 18:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-a009e.mx.aol.com (omr-a009e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 775A1E0B71 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 18:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mab02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mab02.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.82]) by omr-a009e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A217D3800085 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.52] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e35325d [71.122.242.106]) by mtaout-mab02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 514C538000089; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20160806211255.GI12988@foo.stuge.se> <49994385-FEB7-4951-B324-ED1BC66899D4@gentoo.org> <20160807073824.GA1030@daphne> <54464de2-8d86-659a-4bd1-6ed632cdcf3b@verizon.net> From: james Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:33:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af95257a77ced3db7 X-AOL-IP: 71.122.242.106 X-Archives-Salt: a5bd10bf-4ac3-4080-a15c-f24aa13f642a X-Archives-Hash: 54bd0a481d5889722a54e4b1bf0ec23c On 08/07/2016 12:49 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:47 PM, james wrote: >> On 08/07/2016 09:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> >>> Sounds great. What's stopping you? >>> >> >> Why Rich, thanks for the triple compliments; is that a vote that the basic >> idea(s) have merit, or sarcasm? >> > > I'm just expressing that the typical blocker is somebody willing to > contribute. I don't think anybody opposes Java support on Gentoo, or > having a canned installation. It takes way longer than it should to > get a container running/etc. > I agree with all you have stated, in this entire thread. I have/am working on many pieces of this this thread and many more all ready exist as components, like stage-4 iso for gentoo. They are already in many mirrors. Yes they are very specific, but lack some install guidelines in the handbook; just exactly how to do a stage 4 install. Instructions do exist that are piecemeal or legacy, but not in the handbook, nor the wiki for stage-4 installs. One even struggle what docs to believe on how to construct a stage-4 file for install. If wisdom from gentoo-devs is these stage-4 issues are to be well hidden, at least there should likewise be accurate docs with those stage-4 iso, imho. I agree about secure VM and containers. I still struggle with that too; hence the posting here. Today is my response to what ails gentoo; github is such a minor, miniscule issue on that large question, imho. My thesis:: github is not the blocker for faster and wider uptake of gentoo. An easy install is the largest issue, followed by a way to robustly support/offer java, are about 95% of the blocker issues to gentoo update, imho. So I have suggested a variety of mechanism, for discussion on gentoo update (which would lead to more gentoo devs and contributions) even to the point of in a VM centric, or sister distro, as potentially plausible mechanisms to attract new users (and devs) to gentoo. hth, Jaems