From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NnJyZ-0001Iv-Ub for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:57:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63E97E0C51; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA83CE0C32 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so3501744fxm.26 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:56:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IXRcfZ9nzJ+9djx7wR5SRxxbkveZaePyohkIUCmUhK0=; b=tRwh5wErLbsZ25QJLmxeddk+mYU0jBcdTXDWQSc6A1p3//rFVCucy+qquDv3CudzVR 3D+5BNL5nQnOE10+/VRJOesYZVodS42SMZaAwmgc5yLj6VcCmVnpyCJf23ZSOrb4kpbX AZXvkfA1mRwQEMbCbqjqlNF6vSsx0ERb9vJSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XNnQce5UWfo8fUnbE1MNdBi0aNym8gazmi5MU9GnLxdx3Tj131KFNd786B4MG4+NE3 fibs0S2JtK7DPQI2SQHyZUr0wa0N1x11teZQcVdOnRkCF/9tq6jW6YEJt7ymf+Ec/UgK JFsZivKI+86W1+GUTatgMI+Ebc+Z6ujXM+XZc= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.239.186.6 with SMTP id e6mr1037539hbh.168.1267743406235; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:56:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B902321.4020906@gentoo.org> References: <201003041923.17749.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <4B902321.4020906@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:56:46 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3c77f891131b7e16 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: d9b16263-3a54-4d33-b1a8-277f0d4ab6fc X-Archives-Hash: 86c9e47f0ac08bdf1a61231dedc7c0f8 On 4 March 2010 22:16, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 03/04/10 19:22, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >> All problems, which were blocking stabilization of Python 3, have been fixed. >> Stabilization of Python 3.1.2 is currently scheduled on 2010-04-19. > > #python on Freenode still reads "It's too early to use Python 3.x". > Are they wrong? No, they are not wrong. Python 3 is useless for most users. At best it wastes resources by installing extra python-3 versions of packages that will never be used because python-2 is the default interpreter, and they have nothing that really needs python-3. It will also result in needless runs of python-updater. And it may result in breakage specific to python-3 which users would not run into if they had only version 2.x installed. We need some mechanism to prevent installation of python-3 on systems of unsuspecting users, and make sure it only gets installed when the user explicitly chooses to do so. Personally I am recommending people to locally mask python-3*. I think we should consider to add it to our package.mask, unless we can find some other solution. I am not against it being marked stable, but I am against having it pulled in on systems that don't need it. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) ______________________________________________________