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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that
won't build when KDE4 is installed
From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org>
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2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last
> few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues". =C2=A0KDE 4 is ju=
st
> not ready quite yet. =C2=A0I firmly believe it will be in the next few mo=
nths
> and with each upgrade it gets better. =C2=A0As I wrote on the KDE list a
> short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us
> when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained. =C2=A0=
I'm
> not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from
> upstream. =C2=A0Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updati=
ng.
>
> What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in
> the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released. =C2=
=A0I
> have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point.
> Surely this can be done somehow. =C2=A0If not, KDE needs to rethink how t=
hey
> do this next time so that it can. =C2=A0It's not like KDE is new on the b=
lock.
>
> Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem
> with how KDE is handling the releases. =C2=A0It sounds like KDE has dropp=
ed
> the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early. =C2=A0I'm not a dev so I could be
> wrong here.
I agree with you that KDE4 is not yet up to the standards of stability and
usability we are used to in KDE3. However, both KDE and Qt upstream
have de facto dropped support for their respective version 3. This means
nobody is looking at security issues for those old versions. We cannot be
expected to do that job for them, and do not want to maintain versions
no longer supported upstream with possibly unknown security bugs.
As you say, it is indeed an upstream problem, which forces our hand.
But to extend a hand to those users who want to stick with the old versions
and are willing to take possible security risks, we have started the kde3
overlay. And we are happy to help "lowly" users like you to get the skills
to co-maintain those packages in the overlay.
As it is now, we have no Gentoo developer who is committed to maintain
both Qt3 and KDE3, and we feel it is irresponsible to leave those
unmaintained in the tree.
Cheers,
--=20
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
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