From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EemoB-0004mW-Jn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:04:40 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAN53tZJ028735; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:03:55 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAN50wXt008649 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:00:58 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eemkb-0006C8-Sx for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:00:58 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EemjO-0007LY-1g for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:59:42 +0100 Received: from 206-163-249-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca ([206.163.249.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:59:41 +0100 Received: from dirtyepic.sk by 206-163-249-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:59:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: R Hill Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:58:46 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <20051122143743.GV5305@sole.infis.univ.trieste.it> <1132672444.27288.18.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <438338AE.1060501@gentoo.org> <1132674486.27288.24.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206-163-249-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.6a1 (X11/20051120) In-Reply-To: <1132674486.27288.24.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 486af0c1-e53a-4ce0-a8db-7a5417a701f1 X-Archives-Hash: 5ff1b9c7e413f98b578b40c16c74cb86 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 16:26 +0100, Marc Hildebrand wrote: >> Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> [..] >>> Now, on the topic of the tarballs. >>> >>> Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2 >>> tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball. >>> >> Answer: Download it in less than 10 minutes. > > I'd love to see you do the same with a stage1 tarball + all the > distfiles you'll need to go from stage1 to stage3. What about someone on dialup who needs a rescue CD to boot into their system after they've trashed the MBR? 88MiB vs 14MiB is a big difference in this case. > In case you're wondering, it's more than the size of a stage3 tarball, > by quite a bit. > >> The question of interest is: Will we keep changing things without a GLEP >> that should *never* be touched without one? > > Since when is this GLEP material? Are you kidding? Since it's a fundamentally significant and highly visible change in the workings of Gentoo. The three-stage build system is one of the distinguishing characteristics of Gentoo, up there with source-based, install from scratch, and highly customizable. Every review of Gentoo I've ever seen at least mentions it. For the record, I don't think it matters if stage 1 goes away. Make stage 3 the Official and Supported Way of installing Gentoo, but provide stage 1 as a minimal LiveCD/RescueCD option. Make a mention in the install documentation along the lines of "It is also possible to do a full install of Gentoo using a minimal Rescue LiveCD and a network connection. This method is depreciated and should only be used if circumstances prevent you using the Universal LiveCD. Note that we do _not_ provide support for systems built using minimal installations, so you're on your own." (linkity to a new separate stage 1 doc page) --de. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list