[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Donnie Berkholz]

On 23:15 Thu 08 Nov     , Timo Gurr (tgurr) wrote:
> 1.1                  net-print/cups/cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild
> 
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-print/cups/cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-print/cups/cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain

> PDEPEND="
> 	ppds? ( || (
> 		(
> 			net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
> 			net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
> 		)
> 		net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
> 		net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
> 		net-print/hplip
> 		media-gfx/gimp-print
> 		net-print/foo2zjs
> 		net-print/cups-pdf
> 	) )

I'm not sure I understand this dep. Either these two packages, or these 
two packages and a lot more? When would the second one ever happen?

> pkg_preinst() {
> 	# cleanups
> 	[ -n "${PN}" ] && rm -fR "${ROOT}"/usr/share/doc/"${PN}"-*
> }

This looks a bit weird.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Petteri Räty]

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Donnie Berkholz kirjoitti:
> On 23:15 Thu 08 Nov     , Timo Gurr (tgurr) wrote:
>> 1.1                  net-print/cups/cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild
>>
>> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-print/cups/cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup
>> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-print/cups/cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain
> 
>> PDEPEND="
>> 	ppds? ( || (
>> 		(
>> 			net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
>> 			net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
>> 		)
>> 		net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
>> 		net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
>> 		net-print/hplip
>> 		media-gfx/gimp-print
>> 		net-print/foo2zjs
>> 		net-print/cups-pdf
>> 	) )
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this dep. Either these two packages, or these 
> two packages and a lot more? When would the second one ever happen?

It means these two packages or any one of the following I think.

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:13:39 -0800
Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > PDEPEND="
> > 	ppds? ( || (
> > 		(
> > 			net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
> > 			net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
> > 		)
> > 		net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
> > 		net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
> > 		net-print/hplip
> > 		media-gfx/gimp-print
> > 		net-print/foo2zjs
> > 		net-print/cups-pdf
> > 	) )
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this dep. Either these two packages, or
> these two packages and a lot more? When would the second one ever
> happen?

Looks like it's a silly hack that relies upon the resolver taking the
first available option if nothing's installed. So if the user already
has any one of the listed packages, it does nothing, otherwise it
installs the two in their own block.

Which is rather perverse, and doesn't have the desired effect anyway,
since one of the listed options could well be pulled in as an earlier
dep anyway, in which case the pair wouldn't be chosen even if the user
previously had none of those packages.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Rémi Cardona]

Ciaran McCreesh a écrit :
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:13:39 -0800
> Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> PDEPEND="
>>> 	ppds? ( || (
>>> 		(
>>> 			net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
>>> 			net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
>>> 		)
>>> 		net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds
>>> 		net-print/foomatic-db-ppds
>>> 		net-print/hplip
>>> 		media-gfx/gimp-print
>>> 		net-print/foo2zjs
>>> 		net-print/cups-pdf
>>> 	) )
>> I'm not sure I understand this dep. Either these two packages, or
>> these two packages and a lot more? When would the second one ever
>> happen?
> 
> Looks like it's a silly hack that relies upon the resolver taking the
> first available option if nothing's installed. So if the user already
> has any one of the listed packages, it does nothing, otherwise it
> installs the two in their own block.
> 
> Which is rather perverse, and doesn't have the desired effect anyway,
> since one of the listed options could well be pulled in as an earlier
> dep anyway, in which case the pair wouldn't be chosen even if the user
> previously had none of those packages.
> 

Either way, those are just runtime deps.

Wouldn't it be best to drop them from the ebuild and add an einfo 
printing out this list of possible driver packages and let users decide 
which one they are going to use?

Rémi
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Denis Dupeyron]

On Nov 9, 2007 11:28 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
<ciaran.mccreesh@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Looks like it's a silly hack
[...]
> Which is rather perverse

Whoever it was, whatever it was, nobody deserves to have his/her work
to be qualified this way. All of us (including you) would benefit of a
more neutral language. Although not totally offensive, you're walking
a fine line here. Please make sure this little quirk of yours doesn't
bite us (that includes you again) anymore.

Thanks in advance.
Denis.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:56:31 +0100
"Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2007 11:28 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
> <ciaran.mccreesh@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Looks like it's a silly hack
> [...]
> > Which is rather perverse
> 
> Whoever it was, whatever it was, nobody deserves to have his/her work
> to be qualified this way. All of us (including you) would benefit of a
> more neutral language. Although not totally offensive, you're walking
> a fine line here. Please make sure this little quirk of yours doesn't
> bite us (that includes you again) anymore.

I'm guessing you're not a native English speaker. Please leave such
commentaries to those who are, since your misunderstandings are only
going to cause offence where none previously existed.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Daniel Pielmeier]

Ciaran McCreesh schrieb:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:56:31 +0100
> "Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2007 11:28 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
>> <ciaran.mccreesh@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Looks like it's a silly hack
>> [...]
>>> Which is rather perverse
>> Whoever it was, whatever it was, nobody deserves to have his/her work
>> to be qualified this way. All of us (including you) would benefit of a
>> more neutral language. Although not totally offensive, you're walking
>> a fine line here. Please make sure this little quirk of yours doesn't
>> bite us (that includes you again) anymore.
> 
> I'm guessing you're not a native English speaker. Please leave such
> commentaries to those who are, since your misunderstandings are only
> going to cause offence where none previously existed.
> 

Gentoo is a worldwide project, so i guess many of the contributors are
not native speakers. See the gentoo-devs all over the world [1] as an
example. Okay english is the common language here, but is it that
difficult to articulate in a way that everybody can understand and not
to use words which could easily be misunderstood.

Lucky you are that your native language is one of the world's most
widely spoken languages. Imagine to express yourself in a language you
are not familiar with!

I hope everybody can understand this, as i am not a _native speaker_ too!

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/devmap.xml?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Denis Dupeyron]

On Nov 10, 2007 2:58 PM, Daniel Pielmeier
<daniel.pielmeier@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Gentoo is a worldwide project, so i guess many of the contributors are
> not native speakers. See the gentoo-devs all over the world [1] as an
> example. Okay english is the common language here, but is it that
> difficult to articulate in a way that everybody can understand and not
> to use words which could easily be misunderstood.
>
> Lucky you are that your native language is one of the world's most
> widely spoken languages. Imagine to express yourself in a language you
> are not familiar with!
>
> I hope everybody can understand this, as i am not a _native speaker_ too!
>
> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/devmap.xml?

Please do not argue with him. He does this kind of baiting once in a
while in search of some action. My previous message was only a
seasonal reminder of the fact that we know that he knows what his
problem is, although he is naive enough to think we are naive enough
to play with him.

Denis.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Santiago M. Mola]

On Nov 9, 2007 12:08 PM, Rémi Cardona <remi@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> Either way, those are just runtime deps.
>
> Wouldn't it be best to drop them from the ebuild and add an einfo
> printing out this list of possible driver packages and let users decide
> which one they are going to use?
>

Are they inconditional runtime deps? This looks like another case
where RECOMMENDS would be useful.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Ryan Hill]

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Let's stop this thread here please.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:58:42 +0100
Daniel Pielmeier <daniel.pielmeier@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Lucky you are that your native language is one of the world's most
> widely spoken languages. Imagine to express yourself in a language you
> are not familiar with!

And when not speaking in my native language, I made damned sure I'm not
just misunderstanding something before going around making all sorts of
unfounded accusations in public.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Fernando J. Pereda]

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On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 04:08:25PM +0100, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2007 2:58 PM, Daniel Pielmeier
> <daniel.pielmeier@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Gentoo is a worldwide project, so i guess many of the contributors are
> > not native speakers. See the gentoo-devs all over the world [1] as an
> > example. Okay english is the common language here, but is it that
> > difficult to articulate in a way that everybody can understand and not
> > to use words which could easily be misunderstood.
> >
> > Lucky you are that your native language is one of the world's most
> > widely spoken languages. Imagine to express yourself in a language you
> > are not familiar with!
> >
> > I hope everybody can understand this, as i am not a _native speaker_ too!
> >
> > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/devmap.xml?
> 
> Please do not argue with him. He does this kind of baiting once in a
> while in search of some action. My previous message was only a
> seasonal reminder of the fact that we know that he knows what his
> problem is, although he is naive enough to think we are naive enough
> to play with him.

So saying that a nasty hack is a nasty hack is not allowed these days?

- ferdy

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Richard Brown]

On Nov 10, 2007 12:56 PM, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2007 11:28 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
> <ciaran.mccreesh@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Looks like it's a silly hack
> [...]
> > Which is rather perverse
>
> Whoever it was, whatever it was, nobody deserves to have his/her work
> to be qualified this way. All of us (including you) would benefit of a
> more neutral language. Although not totally offensive, you're walking
> a fine line here. Please make sure this little quirk of yours doesn't
> bite us (that includes you again) anymore.

Hi calchan, I'm at a loss to understand which part of his email you
found offensive, even with your quoting. Perhaps you're just being
silly or have some perverse need to attempt to subvert this list, I
don't really care. What I do know is that trying to make yourself look
clever on a public mailing list is probably a bad idea. I think
dirtyepic said it best when he said "Let's stop this thread here
please."


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-print/cups: ChangeLog cups-1.3.4-r1.ebuild cups-1.3.4.ebuild

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 16:14 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:58:42 +0100
> Daniel Pielmeier <daniel.pielmeier@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Lucky you are that your native language is one of the world's most
> > widely spoken languages. Imagine to express yourself in a language you
> > are not familiar with!
> 
> And when not speaking in my native language, I made damned sure I'm not
> just misunderstanding something before going around making all sorts of
> unfounded accusations in public.

Please try to be the better man here and discontinue this current line
of thinking.  I ask you, instead, to look at Denis' email as a friendly
reminder to keep things on a more civil level.  As a native English
speaker, I didn't see anything wrong with your comments, as they were
directed towards code, not a person.  Were the same comments made
towards a person, yes, it would be offensive.  Since not all of us are
native speakers, sometimes just the simple replacement of a word can
help change the tone to those of us not born in an English speaking
country.

I've noticed your civility of late and want to encourage you to
continue.  I would like to apologize if you feel ass if you've been
baited or anything.  I know Denis and know that wasn't really his
intention, but rather to remind you (and others) to try to think about
the word choices we make.  Had you said "odd" instead of perverse, we
wouldn't likely be having this conversation, though you and I know the
functional meaning of the two words in that context are nearly
identical.  This is mostly the case with words with multiple meanings,
where non-native speakers might not know all of the alternate meanings
and can misinterpret your words.  I know it has happened to me quite a
few times.

Thanks,

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Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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