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([2600:1700:57f0:ca20:b42b:533b:c0b4:7cc9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t78-20020a818351000000b0059b4e981fe6sm5584351ywf.102.2023.10.25.20.41.10 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 20:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 23:41:10 -0400 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-gfx/gmic Content-Language: en-US To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <254730d8-2987-49b8-9ca7-2e50a071b121@gentoo.org> From: Eli Schwartz Autocrypt: addr=eschwartz93@gmail.com; keydata= xsFNBFcpfj0BEADkTcFAwHJmtXbR7WHu6qJ3c83ccZl4qjBsU//JEn9yTtfj8M2a3g+lpGAF C/8isGz9InmrqBn1BXQFwcySAkRYuromR5ZPH1HIsv21RTtJbo5wCs8GlvoRYsp5pE7JEIVC RsWixG5pFhinlssUxtm0szlrzfaKanohWDfj+2WuWh4doXJZtTQePCGpouSziButkwkgQMqE U+ubBiTtjF/f/oCyC6YMWx+5knaqNSWxjF52rXAngVD0YYAiJ7o0KOQhrC2RLF+l0x4hRikp QaZrqVL1CaP7gjceOlOZ/zdCOImAaha9ygZiJG652HCIPfsy7uypYwxoMEeldoTnsXbjJXuL fMwIp8dCVbKMhebXdCNIWCjNewusz3I4+JjOO+uPgA+YgHu8+A56tpJ7lmHw5C95XjheXt/N bo9HONG4oeILZ9pQxnx93ocZM6v0W+taoBbPzOLE0al7Oy5vmJwO/QkprDU/TkzPtrgiCKPV Ml/+smp5FXbOjp/Y5UVlFmj2aemDIVAv70RlewAytwQLdGHLv3Au81hq5xrX7JAopEkfhYJY g2+7s78C0VaMPXHw2XyLpj5uPBR2q8KihSaASfhGBH0IcxLd+lEq1+NHT2l/WlQVjRfXHZns k8giW8M12TJZvvm9rpXMAFk7zSmmojp1M/7+ImOTcDYvErW1iQARAQABzSRFbGkgU2Nod2Fy dHogPGVzY2h3YXJ0ejkzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwZQEEwEKAD4CGwMFCwkIBwMFFQoJCAsFFgID AQACHgECF4AWIQS9J7B6XvRcKtr3DgSEgYpoGa9KmwUCYstIWwUJEUVkngAKCRCEgYpoGa9K m50AEACoEoXaBaVerjTGbezOHK8J+GWkDJQ8wetJJfHhBgDq/lypKF+1LmolXAkmJF29ShBx r9zr5n91E1xn4bX53X8NdVAf2r/dFMtzlu0jsl0UcZ6OllpkTBtWqbjNgAI+C/v/lbBVcCz+ irtrRfM/guLNaaUuZlh+Qtt4kdKygP64jhqRude/eD0tAVzXbnka0k2E40dNT8W23SPnbjJh gpZeGeufIf8xFddDdLaqZMuxjDcxqq1jcasPB8M57Vkt5NpTaIvCtO4ZWejoj9im+Onsdvfs 3mCHr1DcIEAYj36/2U8yXzpsdgFXD96WcLFRL3l4ELTAPua3MFNdty6Bf35Yli1Fby4yOnf8 5UQd4SRh1pYqBoBw7uEtY8qOJR+bvqo2XnTrR9HVYBZVrVhFe/CCSxOfm2ZxZn2bzMzoJZ5X jcMNGdkHVcutvgJOIUASnwSoJM4hoVdwRmGgrT1Mu18rkk05+NjElPmGcn9vFZXVddnqvuqd gf4di2xl0adpWgFFSfKeOBjNcPSQqNLjNcJTGVJ0lvlmGcYfyw020IoGu/bBEUpQA12i/4JE N5Qx1frWsvXQ+ioJkFsjydbpWqLR5xI44p1FWU2lwKT4QbtSkgx9sHOec+DIIarwxqDiMXR9 ZhG/Ue7+pXAVD/Zs/XtxXCZQBhl7keIXTmZKTccuYM7BTQRXKX49ARAAo1bWz1d7RvffuaX9 SAOqQEfeEHaRilIKpqU5+yuBSd7vLNF1QPb105cuMJtj0bHhQnqYlToNODAHn9Ug+Axgz3dT +s8j1/mizFLfgpHnWdNr7/a1lMPhmPqtoeEdUAd0bqX94xHedZBtlvhLAwoelNhatJkqbrWc voI9d3RMLA3tPrTxY6aeDTa+5LL8oHeZ04KXlWxQIqxXT+e0JEs+0V9viicYy/8i4DqfObtr jdNOV3cKCW3rmNTATlVmciGY8xHkwM77C67ibFyYOdoYo6IP7EUI1oTBZN1M2A23sSgUlAHP qPFwD38JPiBLYu5pIA3SwDaatTD/+BEdhsiIQsZaWsn0E98Bb0bHfukMvEYFEcwA//HXTVIN SGry/Tc9baIgD0hG8ImDCbR9RfXdz0uzelHypcKGnGB7FLtZ8Vw4swa06CXEGG0Oo5AfYRuU 2bQtFxH66xHEFSfgfpTy5nHTH9Ra1mTtpoDil6rMLq1q43w5XP7oEucZwdZa+hlj2M4I/i+I gcaU+Bd9bQMa2mmvmI7pOFMxCCvprY5fDaRY1v8rKWRg12bD4kYM3npR37rWkk+Zdj+w+XgS oCW0gNT2yHDDMq7H6qYUjyvaG8l0vhWb44rzQLBFfQv/Lc3QI4jUu6e7TbQui3cw5Qn0E+yu 4teV2fIVDbLB8wvRS/8AEQEAAcLBfAQYAQoAJgIbDBYhBL0nsHpe9Fwq2vcOBISBimgZr0qb BQJiy0j1BQkRRWU4AAoJEISBimgZr0qbjUwQAL+qByV+VpVmD3Guqym9uUX/gUmLdLar7ZrM Nr3RnDo/N0Dl2IZpm+eoNGlnBh2+q6bcZUWWoEtbOoy6XrlPnx3Cf+Bg4bFDNN4ibIQkYV2z cU9E1AWadCKUm1Z2eDqjc5TlLZiyUGQUh4kAW2Z3gFe1ffhyKarVExfTSxwE1ec5Q9cy6T29 iO3QjAD3v7R9EXZJIn/RRbsaWQSQLz+DVDZxjy2XcmTGLS3HMIqdYFHYAxUx7HLbCAhfIyD0 TDsMOutl3B2PWENYWmhO6E+USSwPokx461ePqcYG5haqnoUcXGQ2SGtLaoQ2iKGvGAe17xpQ yHK7NGSPWOEmYSJ1bRFJYKoe8+jtesoEY335hyQRn7RbMvTslVUvtVjRYu4FXOwPXT3NLbj8 v+in+Njm1UfuWvOZS695wepBGvDtMM3Ze+ZRB3S7zmo1/eKol1cQQ/abYlX+7TrUbxcQ+bAQ b8PeDaL4sAH77fE6m+3jsMb1CFbN3+LcaUxGV7ysh7kVYVqwhiRqnmF0E3I9z3nyZ9HQgwHt 1jmoa4lMiRDnkkOFdhoJ3vqmxHKW9XtxrUJlLQfTejUSooLFjNe6tvXgrTvrosGTpDZIIT0/ 8qKt4Nxg06u0jmnXMbbWwoPNWl9PfcPtNhjaycocCzfog5LI8N7HbRy+jHmArWAywaZVLrLe In-Reply-To: <254730d8-2987-49b8-9ca7-2e50a071b121@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 0e26a486-3a7a-4495-847c-f0ee2c4ba01d X-Archives-Hash: 9557c99b7c7ce4a2a0f56d1eeff4b61c On 10/25/23 9:29 PM, Jonas Stein wrote: > Hi Marecki, > > this is a very powerful package with many users. > Thank you for maintaining it till now. > > Could you address the exact problems to upstream, so they are aware and > can improve it? > I think not only Gentoo, but also other distributions suffer if it does > not build smooth. > > Looks to me as if the package is not broken now, but there is a lack of > manpower to update it. 30 days is the minimum for a removal. > > I suggest to keep it for a few more months. It's difficult to tell whether the problems were reported upstream since upstream has deleted the repository and purged all issues, PRs, commits, tags, and anything else whatsoever back in April. The commit message is elucidative: "Clean repository". Per https://github.com/GreycLab/gmic/issues/1#issuecomment-1521421747 """ Yes, my fault. I've completely messed up (mainly because I'm still a git novice after all these years!). I had to delete/recreate the repository from scratch. """ This is of course either untrue or every kind of over-reaction, and users have commented there to the effect of being willing to help sort things out but there has been radio silence. It is long past the 90 days where outright github-level recovery is possible. I think this also offers some compelling arguments against maintainers being willing to deal with the challenges of this software -- this is a pretty steep social cost to investing time and effort into caring about, using, or maintaining such software. I suppose it's always possible to orphan the package and let it rot until it gets last-rited for not working. Marecki -- is there any specific concern that it's likely to rot quickly if it lacks a maintainer? -- Eli Schwartz