From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B92BE138334 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E4D3E08A8; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout05.plus.net (avasout05.plus.net [84.93.230.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1941DE088D for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([212.159.46.162]) by smtp with ESMTP id 4DFLgeYO405ij4DFMghRPn; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 23:53:01 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=QJJGuDDL c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=RuViaDnnNG9rfPLW4VJocg==:117 a=RuViaDnnNG9rfPLW4VJocg==:17 a=13zjGPudsaEWiJwPRgMA:9 a=7mOBRU54AAAA:8 a=RONp7R7QUDGvntFRJ-MA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=M6RRvQPIPDs7aoEnm6oA:9 a=ONNS8QRKHyMA:10 a=wa9RWnbW_A1YIeRBVszw:22 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: What means bup? 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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: What means bup? References: <2118089b-4d6d-0a89-ce78-8d5597fb0141@gentoo.org> <20180718072657.fnz45gc44v3m4n6v@gentoo.org> <20180922203623.5ls6dcc73rifhuo5@gentoo.org> <20180924092757.5c714f9d@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: <20180924092757.5c714f9d@katipo2.lan> --z7uNOTyjw00wo63yMQCPr28ji9ZMZcoHl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 23/09/18 22:27, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:36:23 -0500 > Matthew Thode wrote: >> My hand slipped. What ever happened to assuming the best :( Are you >> going to ping the list every time my hand slips up and I mistype >> something? Not sure you'll have time for it :P > Personally, I would love it if more people tried harder to provide > meaningful commit messages. > > "bup" vs "bump" isn't really achieving much, just one of the two are > substantially more egregious. > > Perhaps, if the commit messages were crafted with clarity as their > intent, the consequence of accidental typos would be much more > inconsequential. > > ( I seriously think we could do with a *little* more chiding here than > we generally see, but like, I'm typically just biting my tongue every > time somebody doesn't invest any more effort than to write the word > "bump" in their text editor when committing with repoman, cos I really > don't want to be a dick about it. There's room for more than 4 > characters and a space in the subject, and infinitely more space in the= > body, why do we have to choose the least clear of all options? ) > > Occasional accidents are still gonna happen, but it would be nice if we= > didn't define accidents and siblings of accidents as the status quo. > I think Kent has pretty much the point here .. we try to stipulate that the commit message describes what the update is, and is clear for *all* users of the repository, and not just the relevant maintainer. There is also a cronic double-standard for existing or long-standing devs, and newer devs, recruits and proxy-maintainers (who get a double-scrutiny typically) - and I could easily see how this breeds resentment... Perhaps it would be simple enough to add a check to repoman for commit messages less than 10 characters, and with at least one *additional* space, mandating two words in the commit message. It seems draconian, but if developers continue to be lazy, what choice does one have?! --z7uNOTyjw00wo63yMQCPr28ji9ZMZcoHl-- --DUkSsAgIdJXWWuIUD5CV7hzjnjVz8QvgU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJbqBlLAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdOIMP/1qdo9FP7vvYTULVEfleUYEe W4itf7iPdyjBWyI3jycNmr3XbH7ezFqc2MPNuKmDto7DTeYGfEDfIdOC8RuaWkfH SUrHpCEX71BfmLw0hE+oPvqhvDe28Gf4dPuZSz/DFQ7TJ98Ehv3fwZy8VRBP34/i 0/9pAHyEENWkTpC+igyHNVVrhaLvHcFvJsKw1oT4RLqPZakh0/JvjtUS9Plevso7 3bwrOurCN1ElzvhsT0x6Xf/shO2bcURPuTitBX5P4WwRyLKi9x2b0Eh0jsU1XTsV Z+60r+DxyKB3S69FXja+C04qI3gwKVZyrHQ9D0GUQiez2kTTJV7eUo9DDUxg3bQz hX60qj4nFtK22WJauH8nJY4VvQ6dyNGy+rMvFYJX8bvTu+Zk3eJsm8nsoxcoLnkt 6/sVnyCelWJv70WQv7bNr0P199d9mlBWLH6ecWGOJLJzkTosUNeeNxB6NF1r8Zk1 o7VLA5XqMLoN/f7d8vWd1srmunwjoDAfYyOx1JEQYCpGOSecMbBc9GJVnMn+Duoj qDUbnvcXHDfyTcYhQXA8DHoO4EzwwSBtzwRiEIDTXySZDbEpZyA+4Nm4vaV7sY4w 0GBCvf/+/HozzU9hR5keP92LkH7Nxfb2asq/9FR0bZegvCheVXQTXfrVxO/bN727 3AwvR5xWPoj2gyOw6byJ =rxOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DUkSsAgIdJXWWuIUD5CV7hzjnjVz8QvgU--