From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-28935-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1JEiJ9-0002DX-75 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E94B0E0A9F; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4211E0A9F for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so4282252wah.10 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:42:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ts0k8r5v87r8rRulxDZdB8JUKEIG6LCpzkK0muygzC8=; b=nNIv7MCMcQVsacQDPjoI+GTnVylHT1Gfna8281Y57SJu4XqkEqFGnedyzsBCdvvHnMp095FkZouheEOU9vZFugY7CkmP7pKsG2ZXu3LGjtRF4gFm98Uwr9/IFs8uXmvWzhjSf9ppvC4ZBV7ETnvKVafdUOxowZWMsQZPju96dk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IrCqNYRoXxIBiuIewTfjH+/sqsOKXngl3McOxM02LyqtfiWY83UE+wFQjRYI+yI9RaW58IBYakzKiIEgd18q6lRzmWf9TSRJwQ/Atkal3KtJT8y2RYlOfhdKTJOh213WcFEer8Z1vP0UQsvq65Onzl1b2y0LAEmYkUTx90S6mh8= Received: by 10.115.60.1 with SMTP id n1mr5361270wak.37.1200390129268; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.46.9 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:42:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <d5cfc3af0801150142o61056ba3n319bc4b9f1ffbde8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:42:09 +0100 From: Galevsky <galevsky@gmail.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking questions for a user survey In-Reply-To: <1200366344.6546.168.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080114123348.GH5504@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <20080114214427.GC7096@supernova> <dad717940801141453k6a2f903aj77f810d3533e513a@mail.gmail.com> <1200356205.6546.148.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <dad717940801141634r16bed8a7r6d9286141f6a515@mail.gmail.com> <1200366344.6546.168.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> X-Archives-Salt: 3da3a56b-d665-4e42-a5f2-cbae48d39b67 X-Archives-Hash: 0a03554b306e6064e642cdf87321d1e2 On Jan 15, 2008 4:05 AM, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote: > I was really speaking mostly of the people who > dislike the *idea* of an Installer for Gentoo, and then go and bash it > as much as they can without providing any real evidence or reasons, > except for the old faithful "it's against the spirit of Gentoo" reason, > which is a complete fallacy. Again, Gentoo is about empowering the > users to make their own decisions. No, I won't say Gentoo is about > choice, because that is *STUPID* in that it gives people an excuse to > argue about even the biggest piece of junk being added to our tree or > supported, as if we have to, to give them the "choice". Instead, I > prefer the concept of empowering the user to make their own choices, > where they can choose to add anything that they want in their personal > overlay, as we have given them the tools to do so. Now, if a user wants > to use an Installer and someone wants to write the code, who are you (or > I) to say that they are in the wrong? After all, isn't it that idea of > empowering the user *really* the spirit of Gentoo? > > I think so. I am very pleased to hear from someone who knows the basis of any opened community rules :) To deal with the top-priority issues and drive Gentoo to the right direction, there is the council in charge of helping devs to go where it needs. But restraining users -or devs- projects is not the right way. Gal' -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list