From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A084138334 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0234BE095E; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA1FCE0937 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (c-76-114-240-162.hsd1.md.comcast.net [76.114.240.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kumba) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5EDF534C06A for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] use.desc: add global USE flag 'split-sbin' To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <25763900.3IMS5cSOPn@ernie> <86031cc11741c13b354ad85577a1e32c4ca97460.camel@gentoo.org> <0b3627cb08065b8d6d02a1d8826ab316ecdaccd0.camel@gentoo.org> <4fdaaef8-b25f-ee2f-505e-d647251d6af9@gentoo.org> <20191016153923.GA29013@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> <20191016181951.GA29746@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> From: Joshua Kinard Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:36:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191016181951.GA29746@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4d288888-d4b8-41f6-afcd-7bc4106a3ac2 X-Archives-Hash: 721cb3d203e7d4fc2d946282c34c0ccc On 10/16/2019 14:19, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 07:17:09PM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, William Hubbs wrote: >> >>> Back in the day, the s in /sbin and /usr/sbin meant static, not super >>> user. All binaries in those directories were statically linked. >> [snip] > > Please read the links I posted before --specifically the comments > from Rob. > > Also, there is this. > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3519952 > > Tl;dr the bin sbin separation is a historical separation that doesn't > make sense any longer. This is just your opinion. Why does it not make sense? Please back that up. Especially the "historical separation" bit. Why is is historical? Whom is the authority on that? Is this strictly a Gentoo thing? Is RedHat doing this? Is someone else? Etc... FWIW, my opinion is I //like// the separation of /sbin and /bin. In fact, I'm that old codger who //still// likes keeping /usr/bin and /usr/sbin separate (yes, on separate partitions). Maybe it's because I'm really poor at organizing (and staying organized), so dumping everything into one spot -- which is something I do at home WAY too much -- just strikes me as a bad idea. Binning stuff into different buckets offers SOME degree of organization. It also means 'ls -l /bin' is still somewhat readable on a system with a full desktop installed. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic