honestly. When I started with my tinderbox 2 or 3 years ago I had often a fair amount of manual work to made to get an image up and running - moslty tweaking USE flags to get blockers being solved. This yielded into a growing list of fixed USE flags settings for certain packages. But over the time this list became small and smaller and eventually this month I kicked off the last few lines (famous last words?). Said that Gentoo has IMO a lot of success stories to tell too (beside the usual grumblings and annoyances) - and the quality of the Gentoo tree is IMO an example of that. /me was just in the mood for a statement like this -- Toralf PGP 23217DA7 9B888F45