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Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180909143221.21d784d02f51623e8c57c545@gentoo.org> <1536510660.863.9.camel@gentoo.org> <20180910074539.GA6512@baraddur.perfinion.com> <0d8b7f02-9c38-969c-413b-69d4dee6ca89@gentoo.org> <20180912085649.GA16516@baraddur.perfinion.com> From: Mike Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=mpagano@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFY6kXkBEADUSb8Y1VUGD78Hqz5lGnkaqQ7RARNYqJ5KeJNV7zevI3M3Qr9D7lYZLBDx iMT2182yEooi9fgtzE2L2mpEWhPH6KSL8HXs3atx5d/xZbqIMR5/OfVZvpIywxzkr+isB0NL VU+NippIR8UhjjwXu4N/eU5kdat+ZfFNpO66kEJn4RwgabfntCXLLDenIehMqSaOSoydvsUK YS/tTONkvF3e+R6M+x347uY19aeUii/Mo+g4lR0LPzdbO1HtxCUeD1vjAypMMoW5CByRnpRG ZWEojiRy/nninx4IKEvNB7upWuYq31U0yNnxunhIlYy6My/BmzOPtPTubvVUq2/EH69HPOBa YMCjqXeanalHCts2+E3/qCHVSDlYbeIBMuoKGtNGjV+mMAXapvXvnbqCLWvuBM38hd6MxO3u liGvFHmB7fPJwyEkFZiKce/+SWxlLos9G0SOGNMKEKM8nsPfjzOhc7BUg8ZrAM2MOKv7k50q QCWDEnucMrdZbriUiseTUDvgqosDHe6tKvD7pzbvP1D0MhtbmotSOpdHeEG75fk/yjdp3mx8 sH3KDxx0eYIuEiSKlk4+GtyDWBp5s02rIVWkdYf6bgq7x5cDRUAhMYw5Ll9+ZEbn+kkK++tE 5mLZi75AuuxxTxoswuuqITfHQ2nC7QoELp691wHjkzAgBQp5GQARAQABzSNNaWNoYWVsIFBh Z2FubyA8bXBhZ2Fub0BnZW50b28ub3JnPsLBfwQTAQgAKQIbAQcLCQgHAwIBBhUIAgkKCwQW AgMBAh4BAheABQJYHymsBQkHiDKzAAoJEJKm2+yB8rE3gwgQAJ2SIq8ycKkw8TeuA3RS++Jd e+4FNdkMih/NrX5TzYT6BX/TIZ3k+FKPphboykQz5Yl/yQeGHfHTAVqZojhQvo8/2e3jPhCH pfPPj/kphYgh0/JVZ/JwT0MCw5nAR47Jsptw1COrgXbtONM30r/eOrSgNxijzcqD+NLn2Yr+ 8T5dvkmg6w7pFLFTRXFAwGzM8TAj0STdFyg+jJhC/0tIrWXDiVmhu9DrEqHfqhDDGUxJN+cS RnTHP40F1qLW27BrkltHYwvED0Qk/isSKNevPnCbvUJePKVTp1/XPAbRbQ9+Zm40HOsI0d6K wuGbqII3nPSadRP/BiIcyKTItW1M8b/UN/cs7s2O8l/SwnLS1NVC9wx927asFsO3gspwvcuK gJeC32Zir1Khr5SV+IxWoIpA8quw6cZAF/ON3dEgfS67ljsdul+by2DQtXVD5YOvQSEIVgaT cuiBHCBX0jU5N2asNh+lZIVmi7nsaueWeEiCmolQz8lKdsEUW6GPnJk+3x7kx/xSf3waBy5t YxTkMNTsVk/E6sx2zldZ9d3xY3LM3ssdQhJ2mu/4JlJL0ooj60DR7IXAFmzJnm/AS8/uBwo8 UtVr9iVw/c0D71n0anFZQdZZhnZo+S6X1JAbNvjEpyeBTTcxM0DEspJz0QgEiAsRRDK0Q/X+ RCVsguYrM+g2zsFNBFY6kx4BEAC85Vs3QXdVmNEoky9DXECgKiYCtFRO0KGmlYz1PlQWrS6N uYJUbdsNL9jF2fk1i0a4UutWN+NVaMRe1PjxhNec6dtL5qYNP1U3rbZvSe8bzD6qOiMooNzb u095G9v+Tiwm8U3xyv11xPsRnprmpaNP4mWiT7xEJMCAtgFUlg8YXLz8dOK04JCh1uUpMoBy BbgWscmwJW2EmNRC5GoBYSvHF2FLsCoIZHmH+qITD6TT1XgUlxb1kbgc2PhqZYcIwDKWxPNf m3cauimy4C5kfzx0SGdvr6WoryECq4LAVjuuB9k4ES1wP+uiixqfnX81yOlww2tX+cJbQ3d8 kpUFhavXdlVA7qjxiZqvbtgzMC2qbcddqWDJH39d8FAhScvx26fNJkUJ4sN+0prUyt+UBYcz MPQVfaoOB7/ghUTbAeyZu/241JJdpLaVoSOVZnhYPF/menLPqho52WTFYI9u9uekJLg1Tpc9 Z2Xzu184LRDjL5bZBr3/3q29sQNMsyPIvKhChs4WtOo008UKENNGCKXyPtsUXkWcxrQ/a7HS hKjnY39m/LSTpctHpuY32sQL8ZDdMCt77PqhlxL05/omAaDX6SP7lSMPfV6JhaR9D/ANWobD vqcZOhnHNFriONEyPNz64vKdsLa1Ae64xQgh7scam2F7qiS3goIhN8KCREtWrQARAQABwsF8 BBgBCAAmAhsMFiEEUsygsPYxCxcBQvg/kqbb7IHysTcFAls7ce4FCQbiElAACgkQkqbb7IHy sTe00g/+LeE31U3X61YG2mybSEkStcWa1ScqIs2mfpNREzwnOjPD3oj2kmF4jrp2ieC+H4k3 Yi8yK9dCb3wORu/mmNuQcY9z/eqnIJClC2mLz48Izze4RDsz73BApqnHqIputAFclh76A2PG RH5VH57YZYZh3etiKtuPpKsZZpgFyL4G+u6x4B0RXrh5JwvNbEfMKdnvJ8fnp5IzTTL+hRlS fUsV7zguFHWCbLwPdyO6CCA5Jp0QQNBJZo6IYrpiVaqKoUS7yDMMOsx4eEX8dI19eBSOpRv3 +0Fb4fYtGUn6x1ppo+kQnmkIMdivomlHPccz2WIHhczoxc8CIR9uafPYfB2ZwPHb8K3nh9Bv VSVlErr9Q5VfcJebiR+F5s1Bq3uphMy6VkRkoOOPvsCj8e3HjW5yM1h3FMXCMS5Pys5FatvD /Jkz364HVyLS/+uKEt67+KRodiqoOf7YykHtdMGMp8OFBsuHu2vXKAO7dqcR7kS7/Ip+mw0e r0fIPgDJYSmXNaVJzRpJPtzq7LRuYnvSP4u6UWn1EWZRQf/xtjtcoZW6Krgl5iTh333egAfo OC/OGboHQlN0fWmjHZDeyFMhxT11b97j6ixG1rOk7fh1/l5u2woeIcAc1XgFVnUDkgmhOBa7 NGEueUW3WI9HEsuH/W3nQpuc5IYfCD5vGdBD9HPVnlw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:47:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="at9o9xaqRiUsHe9NzHU0b2Jrje26XyMAk" X-Archives-Salt: 1f8838f4-adf1-4b98-b8da-c4526e503c0e X-Archives-Hash: 373f5c24d77239e333c28d798ed98462 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --at9o9xaqRiUsHe9NzHU0b2Jrje26XyMAk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="kLAB613hRaTRMIyK7V95IT5vmbkArzM12"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mike To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror References: <20180909143221.21d784d02f51623e8c57c545@gentoo.org> <1536510660.863.9.camel@gentoo.org> <20180910074539.GA6512@baraddur.perfinion.com> <0d8b7f02-9c38-969c-413b-69d4dee6ca89@gentoo.org> <20180912085649.GA16516@baraddur.perfinion.com> In-Reply-To: --kLAB613hRaTRMIyK7V95IT5vmbkArzM12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/12/18 10:50 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 4:56 AM Jason Zaman wrot= e: >> >> Replying to a somewhat random post. There are two separate things here= >> that people are discussing here but are not the same thing. >=20 > Three, really... >=20 >> >> 1) We want to know when a package has terrible warnings when installin= g >> it so we can report upstream and know that something might have gone >> wrong. >=20 > There is also the case where we want these warnings to block > installation, because the risk of there being a problem is too great. >=20 >> >> Stick this in your make.conf: >> PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=3D"echo save" >> PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=3D"warn error log qa" >> I'm pretty sure toralf's tinderbox already has these enabled but all >> devs should too. >=20 > The problem is that this will make the warnings non-fatal. >=20 > Do we still tell users not to report these kinds of warnings in > bugzilla? If they're the sort we consider serious then we would want > to know about it so that we can address it, vs just waiting for > upstream to fix them in a future release. >=20 > There might be a better solution than -Werror, such as a flag in an > ebuild that makes the existing QA warning fatal and tells the user to > log a bug. >=20 Picking random email. I would like to say I'm glad we can discuss our technical differences like this with both sides expressing their opinion and reasoning. I would hope in the future we start with this path and not with disciplinary action or bugs requesting the removal of commit access. We're showing here we can bring up our points without handing out "QA strikes" or some other type of confrontational action. Mike --kLAB613hRaTRMIyK7V95IT5vmbkArzM12-- --at9o9xaqRiUsHe9NzHU0b2Jrje26XyMAk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEBGFuxmO2fsZ/M0XX+h2KeGDML5YFAluZQzEACgkQ+h2KeGDM L5YbpA//ZnGenoDk3XZ2iGKtUhvITsTRlMFNvyYIfeWAjlNsa677PRq1k8QpAM/Y E6ZCU8S+pRGNflYpXQQFX2xkbWtTy0+VObPL3bIockhN1z2+6ODs7t8fwm0XuPBS jcUOCcH6tJl2ZNlNKAZNLb3IrFeEgchuMC46IYh3KBlOXJ+YbalV2p+wOwORFFUd Aa/VJpcw6z4Bx8cw5UQpXPlbk+DqmhF+/E5wNOSE+DWYTBMEe4n5I5UcfEbEEEOW 1aFJM2LHB2V/kpopUZyEnKOnTxlqqs9c9MSCwGvOzu+ESgPvyXcuSzJI56Qng9lB PzHA+mXyCD8y6Hy9bVAvNygUG44vT4mFgzzed1zAbHaNmWbVJTye5BVaklGl+/E1 0Oxe73VfvuGxf3qdMZB/AdsTtkp2O6kWHn9xhJwKIbWGlv13U3ZrLzD8s7BygFVF K8j/WAZNCsSVOoZZt2fcUk8y5QifvVE6emHovjPOFpNYurpkyQ6KWyJIOoilnG1E djPsWJyvpP/c/cLg1epENOsGqHwrE/w/STniktmLYOyyv23d9EADFPHNXJdOZV2e q9jwo+xhTFYG5I2zvaNQiXe8puACdzZuFcsIJ0Qzewr9qGyeS/TqFOoT9Bpw9KFo 2hFW+0Ny5xVP3tWTJEZA/f/b26yxWNf+le0RYSewrKCtNwnXvPQ= =XBn0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --at9o9xaqRiUsHe9NzHU0b2Jrje26XyMAk--