From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev+bounces-100480-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87817158089 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0D1C2BC04B; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from james.steelbluetech.co.uk (james.steelbluetech.co.uk [92.63.139.228]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7B72BC025 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ukinbox.ecrypt.net (hq2.ehuk.net [10.0.10.2]) by james.steelbluetech.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE300BFC13 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:39:47 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 james.steelbluetech.co.uk EE300BFC13 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ehuk.net; s=default; t=1694713188; bh=jJEbCZoA8k/gws2KQ348fliIlfKq/npFBz5loNQ6ZQU=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From; b=pnQ9agf8UounR7diICgoP96P7MoWdNTYOqAmbAHbGquXQ1geu8nTGj+616gbLISRY q3YsJN7CePAMXzcrEEkRnB9kOKUQNCq60NSHdvzpvZtBW4y+C3WuJubjjW70Sogvmm bfF0qiuRrNBIgGQ4ab/KaFmuZjHZCxMLj0f6VDnmKlGjJp2d+rXjLAIlUvleqUnTsE ENkCfOPJqvAblQg7dITkeQmG2aKtZxwdLkh/z3jMX8Fa8oVI8fl//VibOcHwyZUQcX EcPO7lKiJvUdw6pk0JxlA8eXXevklTENZWRZlRizUWxcxEEDIK0noiouoRQUwZePXs prZq9SWvl6dLQ== Message-ID: <cb89771eecc568bfc67f3dcdd27f59b9.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_=8n+JtAksBj2ps55edtjcy3V=G1+ZJNDw9L4aJZ5cs2g@mail.gmail.com> References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <CAGfcS_nbFsEjwe9vdY+MJv+yjCXFm2t1WmXXfUhO6Xki5-5Jgg@mail.gmail.com> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <7B549F95-5EEA-4DD3-A046-AA6F2C7B6349@gentoo.org> <5aa46e8fd2c09e8d54c6a9ec71725529.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <6e35ba9b-a55b-4b36-9d79-96faa5fb1dc6@gentoo.org> <0daf33d92cd33094b88c0411a16a63ac.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <CANvbShpyW227+DoNSs=pP312wLZUBDL40iD488+GiMtnZABY9w@mail.gmail.com> <50d2d8a5796c8f71b58747d3f23593dd.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <CANvbShqA6+XHJBX6dJCubnAeMdTqXVLPwnPC3-iVhvrGb9NhHA@mail.gmail.com> <b110ea5f588090adc51ac1246c390488.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <CAGfcS_=8n+JtAksBj2ps55edtjcy3V=G1+ZJNDw9L4aJZ5cs2g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:39:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev From: "Eddie Chapman" <eddie@ehuk.net> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang X-Archives-Salt: 41554bd9-fe5e-4ce6-a930-c09f2b4faec0 X-Archives-Hash: d439413318574135e64ff8a6d08542b5 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 12:50 PM Eddie Chapman <eddie@ehuk.net> wrote: > >> >> if people want to run the damn thing just let them be! > > If you keep using eudev, and you don't tell anybody about it, then > they won't even know. Nobody is keeping anybody from using eudev. They're > just not actively doing work to keep it working with changes in the repo. > If you stop syncing the repo, or fix those issues > yourself, or just avoid the use-cases that have issues, then you can use > eudev forever. > > You could even publish an overlay and accept contributions from others > who want to use eudev, so as to share the effort required to do so. You > don't need anybody's permission to do so - all you need is a free git repo > somewhere to sync from. Being source-based, Gentoo is probably one of the > easiest/most-practical distros out there to fork system-level packages on. Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made more than once in this thread and I personally don't think it carries any weight, because it can be levelled at anyone who raises an issue about anything. If you don't like it, then just go and roll your own. Of course I know I (and anyone else) can do that. So then what's the point of discussing anything then? What's the point of having a big tree with hundreds of packages? Why not have a very minimal tree instead and let everyone go and run multiple independent repos so we can all do what we want? Then we wouldn't have any discussion about what to include and what not. In fact maybe that's not a bad idea.