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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 10:02:02 +0100
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo
From: "Eddie Chapman" <eddie@ehuk.net>
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Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 08:57 +0100, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> I stand by and reiterate my view that there is far too much of a
>> cavalier attitude towards the matter in general out there including here
>> in Gentoo. But not in particular here, it is everywhere where this is
>> being discussed at the moment.
>
> I would like to point out that the xz/sshd issue was primarily a social
> one, not a technical one.
>
> The primary problem in open source today isn't bad code. It's projects
> relying on overburdened, burned out maintainers. And on top of that, users
> who are complaining, demanding, outright hostile or primarily contributing
> by walls of text on a mailing lists, that bring nothing to discussion
> except for furthering the burnout of open source developers who are
> actually trying to do something.
>
> Think about that.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny
>
I'm sorry for having contributed to your burnout. I have a lot of respect
for you personally Michał, the quality of your contributions to Gentoo are
outstanding, and have to admit I've often felt a little worried for you
with the amount of work you do. I don't know you at all, I hope you don't
mind me saying that. Don't worry I think it's quite unlikely I'll bring
any new concerns to this list again in future, I'll certainly think twice
about it.
regards,
Eddie