From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 716A8158041 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2024 09:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE4C6E2A35; Tue, 2 Apr 2024 09:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from james.steelbluetech.co.uk (james.steelbluetech.co.uk [78.40.151.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 849B8E29F3 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2024 09:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ukinbox.ecrypt.net (hq2.ehuk.net [10.0.10.2]) by james.steelbluetech.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5471BFC18 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2024 10:02:02 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 james.steelbluetech.co.uk C5471BFC18 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ehuk.net; s=default; t=1712048522; bh=1wq8EmV2EzKfvgp32bNBVXyywQrSOZU543dBux1TN7A=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From; b=jDGt5IJm54kds7dv4XEevzu2vBE/gZcc+Dt1QrdLbvk9qfprRiRico2itCfxDUnAF eLKXpz019FcKA/aOSN7raicqrUuodIBoJkt27AumyTymlOSROY2EzKa+b6baNljSem sHrxBOCainASC9ADeennc+ReN2sBFFp1fArwdCedy6IBkpamRbjoerrFFEld7stRNV cE6wXdzWA3gc1q/Fyx0pyHg1i5RV2KtThx+druAlL9g7AevxJTj4xfWe5sV2B3LfSE m1Bab6R7mPNqr5eFOi/aBMu2+W9cNMUXC15553YJp7im/B+r98xm2/JebgoUPg8iF6 ri7tdOpVd2TNA== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <42575b278b15f667e08084b83de0d7af.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <87c8b82b-0d72-4f4c-aacc-04412b3a5d77@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 10:02:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo From: "Eddie Chapman" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang X-Archives-Salt: 441c73a7-2116-486f-b10e-4008f8435aff X-Archives-Hash: 5ee69de52c8881b4af1fd38323e2926a Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 08:57 +0100, Eddie Chapman wrote: > >> I stand by and reiterate my view that there is far too much of a >> cavalier attitude towards the matter in general out there including here >> in Gentoo. But not in particular here, it is everywhere where this is >> being discussed at the moment. > > I would like to point out that the xz/sshd issue was primarily a social > one, not a technical one. > > The primary problem in open source today isn't bad code. It's projects > relying on overburdened, burned out maintainers. And on top of that, users > who are complaining, demanding, outright hostile or primarily contributing > by walls of text on a mailing lists, that bring nothing to discussion > except for furthering the burnout of open source developers who are > actually trying to do something. > > Think about that. > > > -- > Best regards, > Michał Górny > I'm sorry for having contributed to your burnout. I have a lot of respect for you personally Michał, the quality of your contributions to Gentoo are outstanding, and have to admit I've often felt a little worried for you with the amount of work you do. I don't know you at all, I hope you don't mind me saying that. Don't worry I think it's quite unlikely I'll bring any new concerns to this list again in future, I'll certainly think twice about it. regards, Eddie