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Sun, 26 Aug 2018 07:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] use.desc: Improve description of USE=test To: Francesco Riosa , Zac Medico Cc: gentoo development , Mike Gilbert References: <20180820143433.27556-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <20180820145937.10739-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <1534833968.953.2.camel@gentoo.org> <153FDB15-8D96-4065-AB16-885D1A5DE87E@gentoo.org> <3d0204bf-509b-5cf9-251d-9a689b32db26@gentoo.org> <20180825012306.4a9b26a6@katipo2.lan> <20180825024543.3d47a160@katipo2.lan> <9d0b7e10-1e81-f04c-8489-db03cdc60886@gmail.com> <670d034e-c081-46f9-8948-de12d44b50f0@gentoo.org> From: Zac Medico Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=zmedico@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFs7tmwBEADTzG+IcYtRfTfKryU7sUH7LlV1M+TdaCMfIkY4x6RyHXkaaqYuQ+U9HKn0 +m5FcZsZ1Ojik+We3Tz0F6kDbam6EWzBxmsLb/IHeUEsvsuLzuBQjiD9zzqGocZiPWr+uWJs AdbueS72R7FPXJPDUEPrJ9GdhGFyYARveY9cmdisOwcDOiSFfBjk3/89t4gROn4KUhezVuO9 VS14gVSns1561CJjlB47HkSBu4+FuzrfVygg4xitWAH119Ehw0vJcgkTw4Bqhk01Iw9us80m dFyU8JbJ0CVYe30gYKFFbnXoiT6xLLogKOkv0goPFxaXcMwWM9ei3SjAGVqgN6i8VnO7kquV LwkTe6ntEK0iY+l4qTKuyIOQLpCbWNI0eVwlx5b/pY2pt5TEGWAPMCZGjlidMx0aDcVX4oji 2/xegFAcxALrfOX3kj2FZ9kNAqLZu26AfqtslIqlBEAb5sZwPr351msBIdbaWX2UNw21I478 7eQ7UfohwXQHlXdhc/wop3VDkDzLBnvlK4ozSJI/9T5F/+9yEZvc6DKUWdEfD12o2El5hHan gCUQWDBKqZb1wcekK8KY2tmH8BBQi7k52IWYLJYfJdir/XpGm5SsDpf3zvDcIFXqFHAG7w7b fhriM+6oBOeIO9ew1Xj3swbRhDwdzRUhu7Uqayq1vdvKqGkgcQARAQABzSJaYWNoYXJ5IE1l ZGljbyA8em1lZGljb0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsGUBBMBCAA+AhsDBQsJCAcDBRUKCQgLBRYDAgEA Ah4BAheAFiEER1is2Nqa/UampgQK1hDPNyHnis0FAltml4cFCQTNZxoACgkQ1hDPNyHnis07 aA//QH4lchXg2Kt5ZbBlF3UGn8l2lXvjZKnHkSoz1WK5lWJynQN+dFV6ve+mqG8wX7SqEb+3 iMVh1YoCNx3WSoIb/74/0X+Xtarz1thja8/qS+GyCF1O42aOXYLTuXTmIowjBVIR8v1cZVdY L1KNpyfcq9UyL/xyLpBAP6eqB2+rNiNQHuO8xXgoQGr5kpz08yyD+gnpsGG7hdMzOi7FA7kk 5JN6rvVKVoKE3VHuECj30u/sd5bixndrGOEr2Ps7b1E9D5h0Ge9HTtAdU/qaUZpAChkRPwGK aNme3UGag9161JKdBsm7e3/a6GTbqvtJYxSK6B7LvI/VOQmFUlhEcFrDVQzJk0l+X5kn3z2u UG80wWTM4p7WCVWiAUPmVGF27ml12J3p8HBXf02VvaNCJtzOCDEbbr+Ynf+JriMUTRy5mzD0 Vfqt4oWqg7I4q6Ds4TqwmEVxBDdONI2AmhQ+BALGzu3aFyu8fyp7J/KWc+UgK/CGvmJUtrGY sUNudPVPDJ33xlxj1Y940OECA+fsBPxS0k18ZoJLivLxwgrS/EkVOcUKNFMezMUHK6WnDlHD 8UrhvmnF5YewMH1EXelNgZvlWF8z8C2fRx8biGLXaaMQEnmGZkQTN8NJdBhZ1cuD0UORF8Bp LKkz1EEWp1Tox4ibn47s6jM4qRb1xTG+c0T4Fl7OwU0EWzu2bAEQAJ9lv8R485soLy25UWUg xBpNHOburlMdvBC9t0p3D/fVx1glplnsEWCdIGrYIFgM/Fyb5PG++OA1NqbyRkZ0SkKbf+8/ Vh0lKiJhuKwm5tXsmIA6gCYa1oM5Vfm2Gm/bwcvXvCorZ3mOCoxMsV5PeHJqujlyMYBCWFM0 7J/BWR0UwUuM6EbOrtqSLhRn2J5L8h52jJm85uV/v13k9XXEjSZ/bDnKgdx9lG/ufAj1czOe qWAL39FA/s75Z8KXamX2DJ3SFze6pRaXSR73Ee9XGUR05Ef9/47N7JtiP2vzQaQLox6qIbyr O5Y7Qhlnka/PCSrQqBEB5+v1n/i+bI6JWEmu+TWAunpUR0Hnh9Q7cwb89ydiJqxEk5TBFBDX 6rbnDmL2ihlGTQtDqg2dZt5WP4/CfSbMvT8aOR0+xhyXHM4tKVEDCSKx6lWXrYvab5fBexmP 0NLe8gcRtt8KYprIG4YJdASkkyYScaoUuc7O/b1w662bcGcZdxYCDlomOJXk8oSav/iD38Qn yWmEac0JFDYO9TM7W2UemZP4m8MHACCjmt+rnCON6JLnvyQCA+iK04HOn/PlgzkVdf6yER2L n+tq0Stv3KxR+vdnjlhXfIzoweAKkSDz7mTp8zp7Li1GfFcBh0nhfNpLIwv1+ycSD1pVoI+J GX5+4tK4XVAl/svDABEBAAHCwXwEGAEIACYCGwwWIQRHWKzY2pr9RqamBArWEM83IeeKzQUC Wzu2twUJAeEzywAKCRDWEM83IeeKzRZ3D/0RFItQdaMZb6hEk8LzRGxJk772Bt2joBPwY/Qv dLUzrR38Lg+n2VPuwa83fVDaHj+LUAbPa+y+MDhFTC5Yj8zYXrrRmapu4sDgFtL+CMD5at9k HxMMSjLuTQg76BrQnoQ2DFI6TTDVlL4thWszyvsLvdlyQBTZqScY4e98h1Ghylvjrj8kD6OQ /wQ1xcDQ1VPXtN7orc7Gk3d8Gwc/vD3NthpXcTHey5eEvHT/7HGMs9N/ChsTLeRO/lCq6ao+ HtOVe9z/0q7gbCAAVSxwsblmGwNQshaxGvS3K6bQhgjeWlCczKRmIMKiKrscRNPAl5k+kmQ+ VVztDLLR6pwrKiKp3+22vm0/BEVaTg5iarNkWJlnqwbtnDrxRcoe6EJXUyBco+pLczxDpX6c Yv5nAsTUaS+rBo+Cfu7Mml874fOhaffLGM2+HmmWxlsz+SoJMzIHIHQtA9l2OQ7fQa9Xp1TB qZuViSnK2lnlyZshEhPOzE+Q65bBeQujPrLrrgl8f9N7fFVDaupmS4MIWvDLmc6qT3bDs5hY arIM5Ivi3IJ1yxdWgXkddwdAtO/lbMJDYwBBRbrN+XKKtjKBN8nd2zmaTn8nnZQoSEgc/Mkd zbpRt++jfxe4TQUmNvvGhnMKhJOkJVnYfR/Zwk4EsRU31udt6U2WanSbqY8Ad8Ot+xVH+w== Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:14:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vCys3JDLQj5HiRopPjzbbYFg0BIwcqHmJ" X-Archives-Salt: 0e7c3e35-aff1-4435-a50f-fbbe9cbdff59 X-Archives-Hash: d835f514b20b8ad59472ba585ea2564f This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vCys3JDLQj5HiRopPjzbbYFg0BIwcqHmJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="aofXf6EGWWHFDs6rTMscj3NbcmxY5kkwu"; protected-headers="v1" From: Zac Medico To: Francesco Riosa , Zac Medico Cc: gentoo development , Mike Gilbert Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] use.desc: Improve description of USE=test References: <20180820143433.27556-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <20180820145937.10739-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <1534833968.953.2.camel@gentoo.org> <153FDB15-8D96-4065-AB16-885D1A5DE87E@gentoo.org> <3d0204bf-509b-5cf9-251d-9a689b32db26@gentoo.org> <20180825012306.4a9b26a6@katipo2.lan> <20180825024543.3d47a160@katipo2.lan> <9d0b7e10-1e81-f04c-8489-db03cdc60886@gmail.com> <670d034e-c081-46f9-8948-de12d44b50f0@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --aofXf6EGWWHFDs6rTMscj3NbcmxY5kkwu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/24/2018 04:56 PM, Francesco Riosa wrote: >=20 >=20 > Il giorno sab 25 ago 2018 alle ore 01:45 Zac Medico > ha scritto: >=20 > On 08/24/2018 04:14 PM, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > > > Il 24/08/18 19:08, Mike Gilbert ha scritto: > >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:45 AM Kent Fredric > wrote: > >>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:27:01 -0400 > >>> Mike Gilbert > w= rote: > >>> > >>>> If you want to define behavior that can be relied upon in > ebuilds, it > >>>> should be specified in PMS. PMS does not define any meaning fo= r the > >>>> "test" USE flag. > >>> We should eschew idealism about how the world *should* behave, > and avoid > >>> making portage a steaming garbage heap in order to comply with = a > >>> terrible PMS specification of a heavily used feature. > >> Portage still works just fine for most people who would enable > >> FEATURES=3Dtest. Stop exaggerating. > >> > > People enabling FEATURES=3Dtest on most but not all packages had = some > > troubles and they need to disable them in both package.{env,use} > > I'd like to have a flag to reinstate the previous portage > behaviour, but > > that's probably too late >=20 > Would a FEATURES setting that implies RESTRICT=3D"!test? ( test )" = for all > ebuilds do what you want? >=20 >=20 > "want" is too much, > but it would have been pleasant to have something to keep portage > dependancies working as before. > "testrespectuse" or "usetestrespectfeatures" come to mind or another > command line option. Maybe you are not using the latest version of portage? The current behavior with sys-apps/portage-2.3.48 seems pretty sane to me, for example see this behavior with dev-python/setuptools-40.0.0 which has empty RESTRICT: $ emerge -pvq --nodeps setuptools [ebuild R ] dev-python/setuptools-40.0.0 USE=3D"-test" PYTHON_TARGET= S=3D"pypy pypy3 python2_7 python3_4 python3_5 python3_6 python3_7"=20 $ FEATURES=3Dtest emerge -pvq --nodeps setuptools [ebuild R ] dev-python/setuptools-40.0.0 USE=3D"test*" PYTHON_TARGET= S=3D"pypy pypy3 python2_7 python3_4 python3_5 python3_6 python3_7"=20 $ FEATURES=3Dtest USE=3D-test emerge -pvq --nodeps setuptools [ebuild R ] dev-python/setuptools-40.0.0 USE=3D"-test" PYTHON_TARGET= S=3D"pypy pypy3 python2_7 python3_4 python3_5 python3_6 python3_7"=20 --=20 Thanks, Zac --aofXf6EGWWHFDs6rTMscj3NbcmxY5kkwu-- --vCys3JDLQj5HiRopPjzbbYFg0BIwcqHmJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE8OgXaltWzqgSupCu0HX7jBBKPSAFAluCUztfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEYw RTgxNzZBNUI1NkNFQTgxMkJBOTBBRUQwNzVGQjhDMTA0QTNEMjAACgkQ0HX7jBBK PSCOnxAArusZUV7ZRhyZu9ex6nsfQnikMo/DjMQc37irxQ8EiJNGlJovRh1pYik8 ClnxOn1Mux9r+ihEuO0ZVeTziJYF7a76I9Sg7cRzvOvA2jVopcaVVLsZ5C7xfPPq W95OJLiqP499dlpemubvHEToOe+GhtaKwuxF/53wLj87G+tCG5Rw9m2lGRmsASXy 4WTxiyzaEPJu2l4U/EkYCCrVH0PhLDv1E9A+0xSPW/zVl7u/UTnKHjgUkh3PI4DW 5iF2tWF2TLI7FjV39VOr9bC5pS+ttwLuN+KqkDETzP51V4lpzrGDB2YMJE+KIi4a smo8blyXAvVYxiyEQbn7pDKTXpYBInb7bjvtWGWt6forAxGUkoXJT/q7G2+36dbb F2qJJKFmO63YWHGKyEz3DEQjpcrNGDC1qDp60nBV0dZs3HqyQq4wK2pS0nzC9T6p c7phPsThwQUknadJpSMvhLdSZr41+DiIGHDNQ/tB2x4ZPqnl9Vi9IJQnzm2e8SKb 3QXn0CpmLL4FSgsCvmB5f1pRZRgbPiJPd2JwauF4u5pxFIPhx7NPwJe5Y4IhEwMK DKEAZ0yFRsugQIubti9Twh+sG0MLDG+LGZdGtOXiJ6qoVFmWm0XIwqd+D5aEl+SQ hUgoum+Wg3ogNeLzxezyYQorXoXvQe21ze3WzuWp+k5AtpIAoxw= =Sqaz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vCys3JDLQj5HiRopPjzbbYFg0BIwcqHmJ--