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requested) (Authenticated sender: whissi) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09BE934D844 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] unsanctioned python 2.7 crusade To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <51dddccd576fb1203457a09f305bac5a48eaae6c.camel@gentoo.org> <20f5820a902edd121bd49195c4adc2f5cea84fa8.camel@gentoo.org> <33a433c0-b547-7be6-f61a-1cf29b92328a@gentoo.org> From: Thomas Deutschmann Autocrypt: addr=whissi@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFc4iggBEACg/drq2pkXyE0mO7cqfaH5UX9D2A8uaBWHcgVPZdf+bVlc7gT1b/TJgFBO yCecB1j9ReWWAE55nwraFL7+5XofRnwVzC3PglN/M/F02fudCeEkFfDtH65DZ67LV0QqXOZ7 e2aqD1NxJM1ydcehIoxgESiv8ctMCcb5Jui2A7vddxEBouQqJKDVqXqANEiBrtd0x4+noRC3 07BN80SgUiwuSJp8Y9+LSdKWGxiDxFAQygDlLWu1QIOg2PUjrM1ZtKCii8IcbnhsEPZj0jcQ f/omIHaksyfMdx6lHfSUZzzLQm41nhWlgYUxzW4D8Nh+ka51FIIWRWwNJTXQNpU8s32AT+rr K2hyNY0F+hnCRc0gUJtAACPZYNYNMlTCIb5yLKo5qoRKcHkAI3vAPEsPO8nmpYaxhI+9PwWJ 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micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4JosyZFoMnJp9bpoYiyMx8iDApx4jfL7q" X-Archives-Salt: e0c8cfd1-6ae4-42b3-8086-2c9852bee2f3 X-Archives-Hash: e623cda768a8296b8b5097f1973b6883 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4JosyZFoMnJp9bpoYiyMx8iDApx4jfL7q Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LRCcLazT0VG64EqLL475tD13dm9IGfXzN" --LRCcLazT0VG64EqLL475tD13dm9IGfXzN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-12-06 16:48, Mike Gilbert wrote: > It's not quite so simple as you make it sound. There really isn't a > viable way to defer removal of python2-only packages until we remove > dev-lang/python:2.7. >=20 > An increasing number of python packages are dropping support for > python2 when upstream releases new versions. When this happens, we > really need to drop python2 support from all reverse dependencies as > well. Alternative strategies like slotting or compatibility packages > are a stopgap at best, and become a problem as soon as bugs are > reported or security issues pop up. >=20 > Ripping out python2 support for all reverse dependencies of a core > package is rather daunting, and is likely to cause much more of an > uproar than the recent mask. Aaron is really tackling the low-hanging > fruit at this point: leaves on the depgraph. But what's the problem here? Why do you need to rip out Py2 support? PHP project is facing a similar situation with PHP 5.6, 7.0 and now 7.1 becoming EOL. Sure, there are way more Python packages but could you explain why you can't do the same like we did? I.e. new versions of PHP PECL extension also dropped support for PHP versions which are EOL. When we bump these packages we just drop PHP versions which are no longer able to run these extensions. But we keep at least last version still supporting PHP version which is/become EOL until we finally get rid of this PHP version as a whole. For example, a lot of packages are now masked *with* dev-lang/php:5.6 because Gentoo will finally get rid of PHP 5.6 which is EOL since 2018-12-31. But we didn't break PHP 5.6 users by starting to remove PECL extension for this version while dev-lang/php:5.6 was still a thing... --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --LRCcLazT0VG64EqLL475tD13dm9IGfXzN-- --4JosyZFoMnJp9bpoYiyMx8iDApx4jfL7q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAl3qfeVfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDEz MTI5MUNFOEY4QjBENzI2MDVDN0I5NDQ0RTZFQkRDOUJGNjA1NTkACgkQRObr3Jv2 BVl2cwgAkUZn6L9EkTp8RaFQDVCaBFGJW+FEQsdxLHY48sttF+EtcT+UHd+z9J6w FjwuljqutRZ3vzul4KeRXLzQp4RlI1BMy8YCDWBHuouiKCC9z7rQS4HRsZOaowSy R/fTDH3d41KJxSp/PlVBegFiCNhGdBa5a7EQbVzS2CY5TMUPq2/j6jkD8NlJfUvR kB61+yiVRjaoz/Z8jRY1BWJ9UsvYwnT42aopf4ylFHUWTLD/0kgcixpD3PwVIl+T C+w+n6G49Lxb+lHcrQzzfIpUQwZrjmoRe0a1uWf3C9lk1sl1ejZ83iZcaybugccF rZ6nKtIreu26w2DuF8BdHQNlt/80wg== =2CWT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4JosyZFoMnJp9bpoYiyMx8iDApx4jfL7q--