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From: "Eddie Chapman" <eddie@ehuk.net>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:30:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c0b6cd8e0146cb7090563796805e4f12.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875xwy8wxo.fsf@gentoo.org>

Just to report I've been able to remove app-arch/xz-utils from my own
workstation, with 2412 packages installed and running kde. I'm going to
roll it out to my other gentoo systems which have a lot less stuff on them
so am confident will be fine. It's not completely trivial but not as
difficult as I imagined it to be, certainly something an advance Gentoo
user could do if they wanted, with instructions. It does involve a
relatively small hack and functionality previously provided by xz-utils is
replaced by app-arch/p7zip.

I haven't had to give up distfile checksum verifications, everything
builds, boots and is working fine, I don't miss it at all. There is some
small (at least small for me) functionality you'll lose, but nothing I'll
miss.  I also had to uninstall 2 desktop packages which I can live
without, in order to get there, but I believe even they can be later
coaxed into working with some persuasion. I would imagine the majority of
Gentoo installations would not miss it unless they do a lot of work daily
directly using xz-utils and they particularly like all the different
permutations of how it can be run and inserted here and there.

Also, it goes without saying if you run any sort of application that
absolutely refuses to run without liblzma.so being present and the
requirement cannot be compiled out, or you have scripts which rely on
liblzma.so provided functionality inside the language they use, then of
course this cannot be done.

If anyone wants to know the details of how to do it no problem just ask. 
I won't post if no one asks, to not get on people's nerves here with and
this mail getting longer and longer, especially when most here are not
interested in doing this and don't believe it is necessary.

For all the overworked Gentoo developers I'd like to compliment you for
once rather than irritating you; it's only realistically possible to do
because of the the powerful distribution you have created, particularly
the great choices you've made along the way, that allows the Linux user to
do advanced stuff that would just not be realistically achievable to users
on the vast majority of other distros.

Eddie



  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-03 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-30  3:07 [gentoo-dev] Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30  3:43 ` orbea
2024-03-30  7:06   ` Dale
2024-03-30 10:47     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-03-30 11:32     ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2024-03-30 14:57       ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 15:02         ` Michał Górny
2024-03-30 15:17           ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 15:29             ` Michał Górny
2024-03-30 15:59               ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 16:07             ` Dale
2024-03-30 17:13             ` Re[2]: " Stefan Schmiedl
2024-03-30 17:36               ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31  1:41                 ` Thomas Gall
2024-03-30 23:49             ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31  1:36             ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-30 15:23           ` orbea
2024-03-30 15:14         ` Rich Freeman
2024-03-30 17:19           ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31  1:25 ` Sam James
2024-03-31  1:33 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-31 11:13   ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31 11:59     ` Matt Jolly
2024-04-01  7:57       ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-01 14:50         ` Eli Schwartz
2024-04-02  8:43           ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-02 19:46             ` Eli Schwartz
2024-04-02 20:19               ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-01 14:55         ` Michał Górny
2024-04-02  9:02           ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-01 15:14     ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-04-01 15:40       ` orbea
2024-04-01 16:01         ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-04-01 16:21           ` orbea
2024-04-01 18:51             ` Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-01 20:07               ` James Le Cuirot
2024-04-02  6:32                 ` Joonas Niilola
2024-03-31 11:32   ` stefan11111
2024-04-01 14:56 ` Azamat Hackimov
2024-04-02 19:32   ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-03 11:47     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-04-03 12:14       ` Sam James
2024-04-03 15:30         ` Eddie Chapman [this message]
2024-04-03 16:40           ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Orlitzky
2024-04-04  3:20             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-04-04  3:49           ` [gentoo-dev] " Eli Schwartz
2024-04-04  8:32             ` Sam James
2024-04-04  8:34               ` Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-04 14:38               ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-04 14:24             ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-06 11:57               ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-06 12:15                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-04-06 12:34                 ` Roy Bamford
2024-04-06 14:04                 ` Fabian Groffen
2024-04-07  6:44                   ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-06 16:15                 ` Sam James
2024-04-07 11:24                   ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-11  5:21                 ` Joonas Niilola
2024-04-12  7:18                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-04-13  7:10                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2024-04-03 12:22       ` [gentoo-dev] " Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-03 12:26         ` Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-04  1:41         ` Duncan

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