Ok,
Gentoo is over.  As an outsider who has been following gentoo-dev and other gentoo lists for a while, this is just completely nuts. 
Is there any order or clear idea anymore for this distro?  No other distro seems to be as lost or confused as Gentoo is.  And WTF is this list going to discuss development?  Do you guys develop ANYTHING?  Or Do you just bitch all day?   Good bye Gentoo, when you grow up and know what your goals are etc I'll be back.  Love the distro, but Jesus the politics and the bitching gets out.

Just an observation from the outside.