From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L6tQb-0003eX-P0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:02:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FC80E05BC; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF70E05BC for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d40so775778and.1 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.124.6 with SMTP id w6mr5327677anc.30.1228078923811; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.94.12 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:02:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:02:03 -0800 From: "Alec Warner" Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official In-Reply-To: <4932C955.2080300@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4932BE8F.6030000@gentoo.org> <1228064455.25651.158.camel@localhost> <4932C955.2080300@gentoo.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ceb42fdc93cc2e5 X-Archives-Salt: bdde8c51-dd5d-4019-876d-7575600891e9 X-Archives-Hash: aee1a3e2f69290c2fe77508873858bef On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Joe Peterson wrote: > Peter Volkov wrote: >> Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=1#doc_chap4 >> >> Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by >> mail :) > > This is all cool, indeed! :) > > I suspect, however, that most users have never played with these > variables. I think that saving this info in the portage db or making it > more default/official in some way could be a great help. The core > problem is, I think, that many users do not know where to look when > having trouble, so they may not even realize that what they need is in > the log info. I suspect that no one really disagrees with more communication; but I imagine many are not willing to put time into it. So I suggest you come up with better ideas to communicate to users about the existing logging solutions and then implement them ;) The gentoo homepage is one way, the GMN is another, Forums is a third. Just write one article about it and publish it everywhere. Also Gentoo-Wiki ;) -Alec > > The reason I was phrasing it more in "readme" terms is that most people > can identify with that concept, and it could be made clear that there > exists Gentoo-specific readme info that is always available (regardless > of whether a user sets up the portage logging stuff). The bare log > messages could exist as a minimal default for packages that do nothing > special to provide more readme info. > > -Joe > >