From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-33219-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1Kro7L-0005b0-Jw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:19:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B7A1E021D; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0771BE021D for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so295481yxp.46 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr7834184anc.137.1224483586674; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.94.12 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <b41005390810192319t10ee8d35xd292ddabd4e694a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:19:46 -0700 From: "Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: "Steve Long" <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [project] Re: [RFC] some global useflags Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <gdf76p$3kb$1@ger.gmane.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081015183632.499d5e6c@gentoo.org> <20081015174338.5ee92974@googlemail.com> <gd5idi$hmo$2@ger.gmane.org> <20081015211631.190f140a@googlemail.com> <gd8b3f$no5$2@ger.gmane.org> <20081016222655.5506cf23@googlemail.com> <gdcl4f$dh5$1@ger.gmane.org> <20081018232928.11802a69@halo.dirtyepic.sk.ca> <gdf76p$3kb$1@ger.gmane.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d8b5cd64ab7169d3 X-Archives-Salt: a6b8f282-1f39-4643-8f81-957a56688094 X-Archives-Hash: 8b48b60a336f4b7bbb5fa91717de03bb On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Steve Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: >> Steve Long wrote: >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> > Steve Long wrote: >>> >> > Have a look at, for example, [1], where Mike already gave you an >>> >> > answer one of the previous times we discussed it. >>> >> > >>> >> I'm aware of the prior discussion. >>> >> Re-read it, and tell me what it breaks, if you can. >>> > >>> > Well, which part of the previous times it's been explained to you >>> > didn't you understand? >>> > >>> No one has ever given me a technical reason. I thought you might have >>> light to shed; clearly not. >>> >>> Please don't reply to my posts if you don't have any actual >>> information to add; I realise you like long fruitless mail >>> 'discussions', and apparently have lots of time for them, but I >>> don't, and I don't enjoy reading them either. This kind of one-liner >>> with zero content, and no intent but to insult, should simply be >>> binned without sending imo. >> >> Okay, Steve, stop. I don't think you realize it, but you are trolling >> this list. > That wasn't my intention; I added that comment simply to stop the flow of > one-line emails. > >> Every second post is you and Ciaran bitching at each other > I do wish one of you devs would pick him up on his behaviour _on the list_ > one of these days.. instead it's _always_ me who gets the flak. > > Or do you think his post was anything other than a "one-liner with zero > content, and no intent but to insult"? > >> or you complaining about every single thing we do that you >> don't personally like. > Not complaining, simply pointing out better ways to do things; a technical > discussion iow. The reason that has been more difficult a discussion than > it should be is because of the unpleasant comments from McCreesh, Ferdy and > Leverton. Not all things are technical in nature. > >> We appreciate your input, but please respect our >> right to do things the way we think is best for us, even if they aren't >> aligned to your personal preferences. >> > I was never under the impression that Gentoo devs would do anything other > than whatever they wanted. > > Can you tell me what a 'server' USE flag _breaks_? > It breaks usability. I realize that is hard to measure but we have discussed this multiple times and have decided it is a Bad Idea for users and a Bad Idea for us. So it was not done. -Alec