From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6umu-0006OB-CH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:56:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B739E0304; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB329E0304 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2060395ywm.46 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.83.22 with SMTP id g22mr3168752ybb.140.1213307812469; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.202.13 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:56:52 -0700 From: "Alec Warner" Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June In-Reply-To: <485193F8.30700@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080611070618.54E4066E24@smtp.gentoo.org> <20080611111133.GA6803@seldon.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> <48517A60.7000906@gentoo.org> <485192DE.2020906@gentoo.org> <485193F8.30700@gentoo.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d125c0e71b0c691c X-Archives-Salt: 5d8f931d-cf3d-44b8-9bde-019509765327 X-Archives-Hash: cf417369dc7feb641953c740d8a598bd On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > Doug Goldstein wrote: >> >> Doug Goldstein wrote: >>> >>> Brian Harring wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council >>>>> meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the >>>>> channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC). >>>>> >>>>> If you're supposed to show up, please show up. If you're not supposed >>>>> to show up, then show up anyways and watch your Council monkeys dance >>>>> for you. >>>>> >>>>> For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: >>>>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> Reiterating the early request, I'd like the council to please discuss >>>> the current status of PMS, if the running of it satisfys the councils >>>> requirements of a *neutral* standard, if the proposed spec actually meets >>>> said standards, and if said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes >>>> this side of '09. >>>> >>>> Effectively, we've watched it essentially progress into a standard that >>>> effectively only the paludis folk are adherent to (if in doubt, ask portage >>>> folk, my sending this mail is indicative of the pkgcore standpoint)- it's >>>> about time the council comment upon it in light of the general view. >>>> >>>> Yes, ciaran shall comment. My request still stands. >>>> Thanks, >>>> ~harring >>>> >>> >>> I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e. >>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/ >>> >>> On this page it'd be nice if there was an official link to the current >>> PMS instead of having to rely on grabbing it from random locations i.e. >>> d.g.o/~coldwind/ or d.g.o/~spb/ >> >> Allow me to clarify a bit more. I'd like to see a collaborative website >> that developers for all actively maintained package managers can contribute >> to and update providing details about compatibility and implementation of >> the PMS and future additions or revisions of the PMS that will be put forth >> before the Gentoo Council. > > I agree with Cardoe, the specification should be made as useful as possible > to the package maintainers, as accessible as possible by every interested > party and possibly have a regression/conformance test built in (such a small > tree with dummy ebuilds and eclasses) to allow automated validation. > Stronger and well defined versioning should help as well. I believe the biggest problem with this list is you have a long list of wants but seem to not want to do any of the work yourself. For the folks making the requests; are you working on doing any of them yourself? Otherwise your suggestions are mere recommendations at best. -Alec > > lu > > -- > > Luca Barbato > Gentoo Council Member > Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC > http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero > > -- > gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list