From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYaSQ-0001vP-7A for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:21:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A2BDE0557; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41436E0557 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so1701683fkq.2 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.83.15 with SMTP id g15mr12439125hub.17.1205126511339; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.25.3 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:21:51 -0800 From: "Alec Warner" Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March In-Reply-To: <1205125963.7136.28.camel@nc.nor.wtbts.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080301103002.A2AE266A22@smtp.gentoo.org> <20080306090209.6d2de54f@gentoo.org> <20080307194852.f6550af2.genone@gentoo.org> <1205125963.7136.28.camel@nc.nor.wtbts.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 07f90d9aae8883ef X-Archives-Salt: b23bc999-6c12-4002-bc10-647f5f76b2f8 X-Archives-Hash: fc7715634e35b249e2751dbe84778b87 On 3/9/08, Natanael Copa wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:48 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > What exact time constraints and responsibilities are people afraid of? > > Are those concerns real or just myths? > > > As someone who just sent in the quiz, yes its real concerns. What scared > me off mostly is the gentoo politics. The entire process to become a > "gentoo developer" is a scare off. Took me weeks to complete the quiz. I > want to help, yes, but I do have a life. If you have other methods to avoid contributors who suck; I'd like to hear them. We have had problems where people sign up in the past and then never do anything and it wastes our time trying to teach them how the tree works. We would rather spend that time helping out developers who like, actually do work. > > > > > A formal proxy-maintainer could really help in our sometimes blind > > > maintaining duties. > > > > What would be the difference between a "formal proxy-maintainer" and > > how we handle it currently? > > > It's documented? I hardly know it was possible. I have heard the term > proxy maintainer a few time and offerend to become one without beeing > 100% what it was. I talked about to become a dev only to be able to > maintain a handful ebuilds but was even recommended to not do that due > to QA issues. That kind of turned me off [1]. Granted, that e-mail was from October 2006 ;) > > At the same time I go the offer to maintain a package in FreeBSD. I said > yes because it was very simple. So I have been a freebsd ports > maintainer for years, while it took me years to actually take the step > to fill in the quiz, even if i run gentoo on desktop and run my own > distro based on Gentoo. I can certainly invision cvs ACLs if people are worried about that sort of thing; but it doesn't mitigate the fact that maintainers need to know what they are doing. Did freeBSD not care if you knew what you were doing? What happens if you totally screw up your package? What happens if you do something malicious? > > I'd probably not do the quiz again but I'd be more than happy to > maintain a few packages. > > > Marius > > -nc > > [1]http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg15926.html > > PS. The entire thread is kind of interesting to read. > > > > -- > gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list