From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVv0w-0008Jf-85 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:42:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03DC6E0520; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E61BE0520 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so3532077nfh.26 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr16520392hud.78.1204490545690; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.25.3 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:42:25 -0800 From: "Alec Warner" Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5076c606da02ce7b X-Archives-Salt: e650a9fe-0d4b-4d32-91cf-e9c13455b644 X-Archives-Hash: 6697b04c4829870695387290c01d2e76 On 3/2/08, Alec Warner wrote: > On 3/2/08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten=F2 wrote: > > > > I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think > > it's worth trying requesting it at least. > > > > In the past two years we had quite a few applications from students t= hat > > were already full-fledged Gentoo developers. I sincerely would like t= hat > > this year we put as a rule that Gentoo developers cannot partecipate = in > > Summer of Code as students for Gentoo. > > > > I'm not asking to penalise Gentoo developers are students. But I > > sincerely think the main goal of Summer of Code is to allow new peopl= e > > to enter the scene of Free Software, to understand how Free Software > > projects work and so on. Gentoo Developers are already pretty well > > "inside" this world. > > > OK > > > > > > I think it should be a self-made decision to abstain from applying as= a > > student for what you already partecipate in, but as such concerns don= 't > > seem to be widespread (at least as the last two years shown), I'm ask= ing > > for a formal decision to all the developers. If that is requested, I'= m > > even willing to bring this in front of the council. > > > The summer of code faq specifically addresses this question; so > obviously it was a concern and they dealt with it. Brian suggested I add a link, so ;) http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_already_opensource > > > > > > Gentoo's ranks are quite reduced nowadays, and a few persons have sho= wn > > conerns about our current recruiting methods being able to judge clea= rly > > technical and social skills, as well as the time one is ready to pour > > into the project. I think SoC could be used as a pretty good recruiti= ng > > method: as you are going to work quite a bit with the student, you ca= n > > easily judge availability and technical and social skills. Leaving So= C > > applications open to developers means wasting this opportunity. > > > OK > > > > > > There are many other organisations partecipating, I think it would be > > quite feasible for Gentoo developers wanting to be a student SoC to > > choose another one, in which they are not involved already. Yes it's > > easier for them to do something for Gentoo as they are already > > contributing, but that is not the point of Summer of Code, the point = is > > to introduce new people into projects, not giving money to people to = do > > what they already do. > > > Your entire argument is based on the assumption that the Summer of > Code program's primary goal is to recruit new developers for Open > Source projects. While this is one goal I am unsure if holding it > above the others is necessary. > > > > > > And just to take a stance, even if this request is to be rejected, I'= m > > not going to mentor a student that is already a Gentoo developer, for > > sure. > > > Your choice, as I badly wrote in the guide[1], mentors must be williing. > > > > > > So to be clear, I'm not trying to look down to anybody, I don't even > > want to stop people from being paid for their work. I just wish that = we > > can focus this opportunity to improve the Gentoo project as a whole. > > > I disagree and I will mentor anyone who meets Google's submission > requirements and who writes a good proposal. > > -Alec > > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/soc/mentoring.xml > -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list