[gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Grant Goodyear]

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Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
earlier.

So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?

If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
we going to do differently this year?

I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told that we
have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
despite the fact that some good work was done last year.

Thoughts?  Comments?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Steve Dibb]

Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
> a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
> we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
> earlier.
> 
> So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?

Yes

> If so, who's going to run it?  

User Relations, probably

> Who's going to help?

*volunteers*

Steve
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Steve Dibb]

Steve Dibb wrote:

>> Who's going to help?
> 
> *volunteers*

Er, that was meant as an action, not a noun.  :)

Steve
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Alec Warner]

On 1/29/08, Steve Dibb <beandog@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Steve Dibb wrote:
>
> >> Who's going to help?
> >
> > *volunteers*
>
> Er, that was meant as an action, not a noun.  :)
>
> Steve
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I will volunteer, since i work there and I had a good mentoring
experience last year :P I agree with the 'only accept good proposals
bit btw; for various definitions of good....maybe we should make this
more transparent?  I'm not sure if we are allowed to post proposals
publically.  I should inquire.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Alfredo Perez]

On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 08:28:11AM -0700, Steve Dibb wrote:
> Grant Goodyear wrote:
> >Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
> >a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
> >we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
> >earlier.
> >
> >So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?
> 
> Yes
> 
> >If so, who's going to run it?  
> 
> User Relations, probably
> 
> >Who's going to help?
> 
> *volunteers*

Question, the volunteers is only for developers?



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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[joshua jackson]

Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
> a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
> we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
> earlier.
>
> So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?
>
> If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
> we going to do differently this year?
>
> I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
> some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
> that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told that we
> have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
> fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
> also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
> students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
> of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
> despite the fact that some good work was done last year.
>
> Thoughts?  Comments?
>
> -g2boojum-
>   
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>
> !DSPAM:479f440c189611018716084!
That's one of the things that will be discussed at the upcoming User Rel
meeting...
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[George Prowse]

Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
> a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
> we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
> earlier.
> 
> So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?
> 
> If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
> we going to do differently this year?
> 
> I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
> some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
> that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told that we
> have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
> fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
> also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
> students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
> of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
> despite the fact that some good work was done last year.
> 
> Thoughts?  Comments?
> 
> -g2boojum-

How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things 
they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers okay 
it and then they get worked on or what?

George
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[joshua jackson]

George Prowse wrote:
> Grant Goodyear wrote:
>> Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
>> a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
>> we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
>> earlier.
>>
>> So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?
>>
>> If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
>> we going to do differently this year?
>>
>> I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
>> some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
>> that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told
>> that we
>> have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
>> fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
>> also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
>> students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
>> of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
>> despite the fact that some good work was done last year.
>>
>> Thoughts?  Comments?
>>
>> -g2boojum-
>
> How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things
> they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers
> okay it and then they get worked on or what?
>
> George
To give a short answer, its a combination of projects suggested by
developer and projects submitted by the students. They get reviewed by
the User Rel/SOC Staff and put into an order of projects to submit to
Google. They then decide which ones they approve of to fund for the
students to work on.

Ultimately its up to google to decide on the projects and how many get
funded but we as the project have some say in the order they view them
in. This year I'm hoping to get some decent projects that are attainable
in the summer for students. We've had unfortunately some that have
gotten fairly far but didn't get finished. This will also require
mentors who work with the students who can help them succeed as well.
Its something I'll be bringing up soon as well to discuss with the
developer pool (as my understanding is that at least one mentor must be
part of the project), doesn't eliminate mentors from the community but
it'd be 2 instead of just one....

I need to go over more details about it but would like to apply again as
a project.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Alec Warner]

On 1/29/08, joshua jackson <tsunam@gentoo.org> wrote:
> George Prowse wrote:
> > Grant Goodyear wrote:
> >> Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
> >> a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
> >> we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
> >> earlier.
> >>
> >> So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?
> >>
> >> If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
> >> we going to do differently this year?
> >>
> >> I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
> >> some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
> >> that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told
> >> that we
> >> have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
> >> fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
> >> also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
> >> students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
> >> of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
> >> despite the fact that some good work was done last year.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?  Comments?
> >>
> >> -g2boojum-
> >
> > How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things
> > they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers
> > okay it and then they get worked on or what?
> >
> > George
> To give a short answer, its a combination of projects suggested by
> developer and projects submitted by the students. They get reviewed by
> the User Rel/SOC Staff and put into an order of projects to submit to
> Google. They then decide which ones they approve of to fund for the
> students to work on.
>

Anyone can contribute 'ideas'.  'Ideas' are not proposals and
proposals are what (in the past) we have had to rank and fund.  So if
your 'idea' doesn't get a competant proposal written by a student it
is not going to get funded, end of story.

> Ultimately its up to google to decide on the projects and how many get
> funded but we as the project have some say in the order they view them
> in. This year I'm hoping to get some decent projects that are attainable
> in the summer for students. We've had unfortunately some that have
> gotten fairly far but didn't get finished. This will also require
> mentors who work with the students who can help them succeed as well.
> Its something I'll be bringing up soon as well to discuss with the
> developer pool (as my understanding is that at least one mentor must be
> part of the project), doesn't eliminate mentors from the community but
> it'd be 2 instead of just one....

Google has no input on individual proposals that get funded; they just
fund N proposals for a given 'project' (that would be Gentoo for us).
I am unsure if we can involve the users in this process because I
don't think we have permission to post applications online.

Past experience has shown that the overwhelming majority of proposal
are terrible and won't get funded.  Perhaps I can get permission from
some of our former students to present some 'good' proposals on the
soc webpage.

>
> I need to go over more details about it but would like to apply again as
> a project.
>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Fabian Groffen]

On 29-01-2008 12:24:56 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> > To give a short answer, its a combination of projects suggested by
> > developer and projects submitted by the students. They get reviewed by
> > the User Rel/SOC Staff and put into an order of projects to submit to
> > Google. They then decide which ones they approve of to fund for the
> > students to work on.
> >
> 
> Anyone can contribute 'ideas'.  'Ideas' are not proposals and
> proposals are what (in the past) we have had to rank and fund.  So if
> your 'idea' doesn't get a competant proposal written by a student it
> is not going to get funded, end of story.

Is there a place were devs can just throw in 'ideas'?  I have a couple
in mind, so it would be great if there was a place where interested
"students" can go to see all ideas and pick one they like.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Alec Warner]

On 1/31/08, Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 29-01-2008 12:24:56 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> > > To give a short answer, its a combination of projects suggested by
> > > developer and projects submitted by the students. They get reviewed by
> > > the User Rel/SOC Staff and put into an order of projects to submit to
> > > Google. They then decide which ones they approve of to fund for the
> > > students to work on.
> > >
> >
> > Anyone can contribute 'ideas'.  'Ideas' are not proposals and
> > proposals are what (in the past) we have had to rank and fund.  So if
> > your 'idea' doesn't get a competant proposal written by a student it
> > is not going to get funded, end of story.
>
> Is there a place were devs can just throw in 'ideas'?  I have a couple
> in mind, so it would be great if there was a place where interested
> "students" can go to see all ideas and pick one they like.

I would prefer students come up with their own ideas ;)

GSoc has not started and we have not been picked as an organization.
I expect we will be but I an hesistant to act without being selected.
That being said, feel free to file a bug and if/when we are selected I
will update the webpage accordingly for SoC 2008.

You can attach ideas to the bug until the webpage is up; does that
seem good enough?

-Alec

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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Fabian Groffen]

On 31-01-2008 12:40:33 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> > Is there a place were devs can just throw in 'ideas'?  I have a couple
> > in mind, so it would be great if there was a place where interested
> > "students" can go to see all ideas and pick one they like.
> 
> I would prefer students come up with their own ideas ;)

Hah... That's what we both prefer, however for those who need some
inspiration, I'm willing to give some ideas ;)

> GSoc has not started and we have not been picked as an organization.
> I expect we will be but I an hesistant to act without being selected.
> That being said, feel free to file a bug and if/when we are selected I
> will update the webpage accordingly for SoC 2008.
> 
> You can attach ideas to the bug until the webpage is up; does that
> seem good enough?

Stickies.app works well for me on my desktop, so let's first see if we
get selected this year and then if we have people without enough
inspiration.  Thanks.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[Richard Freeman]

George Prowse wrote:
> 
> How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things 
> they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers okay 
> it and then they get worked on or what?
> 

I think the good ideas matter more than who came up with them!  If you 
have one - share it!  It obviously needs to be a suitable project, and 
I'm sure the devs would comment on any possibly-unnoticed issues with a 
proposal.  However, the SoC is probably a good opportunity for users 
(and devs) to get some new features that require some investment since 
it is a paid job.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

[George Prowse]

Richard Freeman wrote:
> George Prowse wrote:
>>
>> How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things 
>> they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers 
>> okay it and then they get worked on or what?
>>
> 
> I think the good ideas matter more than who came up with them!  If you 
> have one - share it!  It obviously needs to be a suitable project, and 
> I'm sure the devs would comment on any possibly-unnoticed issues with a 
> proposal.  However, the SoC is probably a good opportunity for users 
> (and devs) to get some new features that require some investment since 
> it is a paid job.

I have asked on the forum and so far the ability to compile applications 
for chroot jail and related parts seems popular.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-653624.html
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