Re: [gentoo-dev] Endless frustrations again :(

["Stuart Herbert" <stuart.herbert@gmail.com>]

On 8/7/06, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
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> Okay, you simply don't want to talk or even think about this issue.

You have had lots of help from many different Gentoo developers and
users on your recent issues.  All of these people are volunteers, and
have given their time and expertise to you for free.

Folks have been *very* patient with you - far more than *you* have
been with them.

> I won't waste more of my lifetime with it, and I won't let you
> do more acts of demotiviation. If you wouldn't have descrited my
> intensions this way and these personal attacks didn't happen,

Again - folks have been *very* patient with you, and have worked hard
to explain to you why the suggestions you've made are ones that we
don't agree with.

Instead of trying to fight all of Gentoo, you would do better to first
learn how a Gentoo system (and its packages) are intended to work, and
why.  Gentoo's radical improvements over binary distros can be both
overwhelming and confusing at first.

> I would have set up my own overlay for this project and simply
> fix the problem. But obviously this isn't wanted here.

We welcome contributions to Gentoo.  Folks are free to contribute by
contacting package maintainers directly, by getting involved on
mailing lists, by filing bugs and patches in bugzilla, by contributing
to official overlays (on o.g.o and elsewhere), and by contributing to
the Sunrise project.  We're truly a community distro - one of only two
(Debian being the other) - and we live or die by the support we get
from the wider community.

I think setting up your own overlay is a great idea.  I can't think of
a better way for you to learn about upgrades, downgrades, SLOTing and
dependency atoms than by maintaining a bunch of packages for a year or
two.

> All my other improvement efforts were simply ignored either or
> directly discredited, so they're also not wanted.

If you are saying that patches from you have been included into Gentoo
without appropriate credit, please let us know.  That should not
happen.

On the other hand, if you are saying that you are feeling ignored ...
well, imagine how we feel.  We've tried to help you, and explain
what's where and why, and we feel that you're either not listening or
just not understanding what we're saying.

> You just want
> to remain in your traditional grid of thinking. You won't ever
> listen, so I'll let you stay there in peace.

Maybe *you* need to learn to listen, in order for others to listen to you?

> I'm now warned that I it's not wise to use gentoo for mission
> critical environments.

Bullshit.  Gentoo is a *great* solution for mission critical environments.

We have suggested to you that it's not wise for *you* to be using
Gentoo.  You either don't want to learn how to use Gentoo the way it
is meant to be used, or it's too difficult for you.  Either way, until
that changes, it's difficult to see how you will be happy using
Gentoo, or trying to contribute back to it.

Best regards,
Stu
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