From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FM4GC-0006EP-Ib for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:24:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5) with SMTP id k2MENEaB006617; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:23:14 GMT Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.207]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k2MEJKjO003325 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:19:21 GMT Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x29so110494nfb for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:19:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n/cquA6e/eyY+7D/v01X2scBCvhyb2BNTsekOybM3AMPx2kQ4CcRZSz7hAN7AdI4FQjA5oQAUtWPvNehOlpUwiSVPbUy1YJcJyKeAgcWTP4tnUMoi+Q6cp5/9x063Ohjp9Kzt63dyE/P57uIuByf2wuP8aaHq+dwSSrat3SFDmc= Received: by 10.48.202.16 with SMTP id z16mr223653nff; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.211.12 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:19:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:19:20 +0000 From: "Stuart Herbert" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open In-Reply-To: <441F35B9.8000406@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <441F35B9.8000406@gentoo.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k2MEJKjO003325 X-Archives-Salt: 6178a45d-f0b0-459b-b218-08086d5c6490 X-Archives-Hash: b8ed5bdecc1620498dee18b01a7d29a5 Hi Daniel, On 3/20/06, Daniel Drake wrote: > One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user community who are > keen on contributing, but we have such a high barrier for entry to the > developer community. Quite rightly so - we're dealing with a live tree, > so we can't give out commit access on the street. > > At the same time, I feel that we're missing out. Comparing Gentoo with > some other large open-source communities that I am personally involved > in, I feel that we're too closed. The two big problems are that non-devs don't know where to go to get involved, and if they want to do more than just chat, there isn't anywhere for them to go. I've been very happy with using svn+trac overlays to bridge this gap. They provide a sandbox for contributions to be shared and evaluated. They provide a place where I've been able to give commit access to non-devs, so that they can learn the ropes w/out threatening the Portage tree proper. They provide a place where people who just want to write docs for a single package can contribute. Overlays create a sense of participation that's lacking with Bugzilla patch submissions. Backed up with regular communication (I recommend not recruiting anyone who won't spend time in the IRC channels, but that's a personal preference), they help us get things done quicker. The downside with overlays at the moment is that they're scattered around the net, and if you don't know where to look they can be very hard to find. I've been talking with infra about providing overlays.g.o as a central hosting service for herd and individual developer overlays. Infra have been very supportive of the idea. I just need to free up some time to get the service launched. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list