From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBhi7-0006gy-3W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:55:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6K1sHvI024468; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:54:17 GMT Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.234]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6K1qH8P022140 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:52:18 GMT Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so656567nze for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:52:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mwPMdWea/qsUYwicG9RURs7m9lm1LFX0jg3Hg/m6wJQ3MVfxc/G+rnb2Oe4X6u39ikh5gWR30V0BGaLtTzjCmI4LE7lWnPu7KKyZy543Ie5+Hj3Oc50OUYT8BSXHEaMtEkUN6EsozXFqfSROUl298PBzX+cjkZUYMS0eMVHEDQA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P+7otEHm9zERyydIjU8LHnr56AVKchTr+DI8L5vlkxsKwODpQe4u+9GZBkxk+1472ZwUmXm1ZUJ/V63hwj7ovrTW3d3OG349icTHGuapYVjoANiYDfzmvyY3cpejhTYDZL8gJ94hAFQ2K2ghsAUl32Za3XeGtX+Y7JtORna75NM= Received: by 10.114.109.1 with SMTP id h1mr3168002wac.1184896336991; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.18.13 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:52:16 -0400 From: "Eric Polino" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 549f4d6d-2bf0-43de-8753-7ed47957ea6c X-Archives-Hash: aad2eabc6d56b38e27dec954b5253235 On 7/19/07, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > joshua jackson posted 46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org, > excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700: > > > Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was > > nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to > > what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I > > think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by > > default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags. > > Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why > > the heck there isn't a yahoo account available. This is precisely my point, glad to hear it's gotten across to someone. > [Dev-discussion, so kept posted here.] > > I've not seen this question come up yet, so I'll raise it. > > Shouldn't the question really depend on whether optional dependencies are > pulled in by the protocols or not? If everything's pidgin internal, then > if upstream wants all the protocols on as shipped, I think that's the > sane thing to do. > > OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional > packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's > possible is not the Gentoo way. That's what USE flags are for. If > indeed additional dependencies are pulled in, IMO the USE flags should > remain, Yes there would be a few other small supporting packages. They, at most, would use a few extra 100K of RAM and a small amount of disk space. Considering that pidgin is a GTK+ application, it would imply someone is running X and thus can afford to use a little extra RAM being used. They are small packages and would probably take less than a minute or two of extra compile time. Considering that Pidgin takes about 5-10 minutes to compile give or take, this is negligible. >and maybe someone needs to explain the Gentoo way to upstream. I agree with the Gentoo way in most cases, hence why I use Gentoo. But in this case the Gentoo way fails. It creates more problems than it solves. Like was mentioned above, if people read ewarns or ran -pv we wouldn't be having this problem, but most don't. Unfortunately, their negligence becomes our headache and this is what I'm trying to solve. I don't think the drawbacks of installing a few extra packages for the greater good of less headaches for both users and upstream are worth not making this change. Once again thank you for your time, Eric > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- http://aluink.blogspot.com -- "...indexable arrays, which may be thought of as functions whose domains are isomorphic to contiguous subsets of the integers." --Haskell 98 Library Report -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list