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From: "Eric Polino" <aluink@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols
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On 7/19/07, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> joshua jackson <tsunam@gentoo.org> posted 46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org,
> excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700:
>
> > Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was
> > nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to
> > what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I
> > think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by
> > default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags.
> > Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why
> > the heck there isn't a yahoo account available.
This is precisely my point, glad to hear it's gotten across to someone.
> [Dev-discussion, so kept posted here.]
>
> I've not seen this question come up yet, so I'll raise it.
>
> Shouldn't the question really depend on whether optional dependencies are
> pulled in by the protocols or not? If everything's pidgin internal, then
> if upstream wants all the protocols on as shipped, I think that's the
> sane thing to do.
>
> OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional
> packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's
> possible is not the Gentoo way. That's what USE flags are for. If
> indeed additional dependencies are pulled in, IMO the USE flags should
> remain,
Yes there would be a few other small supporting packages. They, at
most, would use a few extra 100K of RAM and a small amount of disk
space. Considering that pidgin is a GTK+ application, it would imply
someone is running X and thus can afford to use a little extra RAM
being used. They are small packages and would probably take less than
a minute or two of extra compile time. Considering that Pidgin takes
about 5-10 minutes to compile give or take, this is negligible.
>and maybe someone needs to explain the Gentoo way to upstream.
I agree with the Gentoo way in most cases, hence why I use Gentoo.
But in this case the Gentoo way fails. It creates more problems than
it solves. Like was mentioned above, if people read ewarns or ran -pv
we wouldn't be having this problem, but most don't. Unfortunately,
their negligence becomes our headache and this is what I'm trying to
solve. I don't think the drawbacks of installing a few extra packages
for the greater good of less headaches for both users and upstream are
worth not making this change.
Once again thank you for your time,
Eric
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