From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBdof-0002T7-6U for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:45:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6JLiSlJ004749; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:44:28 GMT Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JLg18Y001612 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:42:02 GMT Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so612098nze for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M8ffRm2qoLeP8XSor0XJmrydqNkzzmghs/lH34ClcmvDwHY7S50HC7vgp7y9nABBSWiqeFT8a5JwQVhGbZz3f2+6/Ig4ud/7HNQ9veq0Af6CAcR6A1YoAyuqfiNIJRGWTExEwgbBgF7ectaxoTaOjb65QegXdLZ4HFSza80K778= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gU0rPBu2xs61PjdxqPqR6Yig6eSK3QelVRKjRqh4s/1N+HJzDpGHIq5S7vWd6b8jAxSklxpC4mCeHGRonDYIRtoAvocZ9C4U55bmcGaqKJPLaiKaNmJhBx9vQlAr6fbESXKD+DOyl4yu5SUpCaJYB/a2qFcC4bqqxl3CB6ecrrs= Received: by 10.115.106.7 with SMTP id i7mr3005403wam.1184881321041; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.18.13 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:42:01 -0400 From: "Eric Polino" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/pidgin protocols) In-Reply-To: <469F9271.9080908@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> <469F9271.9080908@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: cdd7035d-01ff-455b-84e6-e890030af437 X-Archives-Hash: 7b6714666fa6d347d095a77f9173cf25 On 7/19/07, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > joshua jackson wrote: > > Jakub Moc wrote: > >> Petteri R=FDty napsal(a): > >>> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are > >>> implemented. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Petteri > >> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree. > >> Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to profi= les. > > > >> Wrt pidgin - seriously, what's the big issue here? Users can't use > >> emerge -pv output and determine what they want, or? Will we bloat the > >> profiles everytime someone forgets to enable a flag and goes complain > >> upstream about a 'missing' feature? > > > > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> !DSPAM:469f3b40137571336712104! > > Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was > > nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to > > what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I > > think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by > > default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags. > > Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why > > the heck there isn't a yahoo account available. > > > > This should be a nothing change to do. Its also working with upstream > > and maintaining some good relationships here..and or help improve them > > in general. That should in fact you know...be part of our goals....to > > improve communications between Gentoo and other projects. > > Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such > Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to = go > and annoy upstream. Associate an irc-channel with each package. Most pack= ages > have a herd associated with them which can belong to a project which coul= d > have an irc-channel where the relevant developers could be found and whic= h can > put common problems in its topic. Fallback for when no appropriate irc-ch= annel > can be found would be #gentoo. Currently it is usually difficult to find = such > irc-channels or to know if there is none and that your only option is #ge= ntoo > or #$upstream. It would also make it easier for users to start helping > developers and eventually become developers themselves, since they won't = need > to search for a point of entry anymore. Not sure if this fits in to what you're talking about, but I do know that as myself a "would like to me maintainer someday", I'm somewhat lost as to knowing how I can get involved and who I need to talk to. Eric > Marijn > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGn5Jxp/VmCx0OL2wRAoJlAKCzuF92/4rDf/Cty2uOMDC1mZXdBwCdEj/y > cOnwaXHjD8aDvJQ+XShHQ7E=3D > =3Ddfna > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > > --=20 http://aluink.blogspot.com --=20 "...indexable arrays, which may be thought of as functions whose domains are isomorphic to contiguous subsets of the integers." --Haskell 98 Library Report -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list