From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA4D9139083 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1583BE0FEC; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.obsidian-studios.com (mail2.obsidian-studios.com [45.79.71.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98A7DE0F90 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10462 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2017 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp2.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2017 18:51:23 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(17223) on assp2.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp2.obsidian-studios.com m1-13482-14071 X-Assp-Session: 380E9A64F28 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=wlt.obsidian-studios.com) by assp2.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 4 Dec 2017 10:51:21 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:51:15 -0500 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49607e48-f277-6a36-4eef-6509dff001d5@iee.org> References: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> <49607e48-f277-6a36-4eef-6509dff001d5@iee.org> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/d5ecLxr_fXkGNG25C7V/SSA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: e26daca4-2475-441c-baf4-b28035a3a952 X-Archives-Hash: 4efd278e0c00deb1c0e5e897c7e569a0 --Sig_/d5ecLxr_fXkGNG25C7V/SSA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 +0000 "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > > > http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/16-057_d45c0b4f-fa19-49d= e-8f1b-4b12fe054fea.pdf > > https://goo.gl/42A8v7 (short URL of the same) > > > > ... and was itself cited a dozen or times: > > > > https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=3D5443947091657980238 > > https://goo.gl/obvdzh (short URL of the same) Anyone paying any attention to current events? Quite many business and governments have gone out of their way to protect and hide the actions of abusers. In most causes because they were money makers. I think that may contradict the article entirely. Steve Jobbs was a toxic coworker. Most titans in tech would fall more into toxic category. Ever hear of Balmer raging or Gates? Ellison? Google any of their names or others with a hole and see what you get.... > I refer you also to a former Gentoo developer's talk on "A$$holes on > your project" ... [1] >=20 > [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-ZSli7QW4rg Based on this graph have things gotten better since 08? https://youtu.be/-ZSli7QW4rg?t=3D3m Most every action since has hurt Gentoo big time. I left from 08 - 15. I am not part of any of that. Why did it not recover with driving so many out? That does way more harm than keeping people in.... A lesson many have yet to learn... As Donnie said conflict is good... https://youtu.be/-ZSli7QW4rg?t=3D5m5s As Steve Jobbs said in this metaphor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DK-Yv-UdsmSo --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/d5ecLxr_fXkGNG25C7V/SSA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWiWZJAAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UEfcAJwK8DS5HtbK7bcQof/9Kpl41bLtrgCffTpYz5cM1u33JMAkB3W1rTnBfCo= =jV+q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/d5ecLxr_fXkGNG25C7V/SSA--