From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0763D1396D9 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2553BE0F1C; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [173.230.135.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C47E2E0EC7 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29230 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2017 20:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp1.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 15 Nov 2017 20:21:32 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(17223) on assp1.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp1.obsidian-studios.com m1-77292-02177 X-Assp-Session: 36522306AE8 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=wlt.obsidian-studios.com) by assp1.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 15 Nov 2017 15:21:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:21:31 -0500 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] manifest-hashes changing to 'BLAKE2B SHA512' on 2017-11-21 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <75d4c538-3043-d98b-af6e-174552f2ff29@gentoo.org> References: <1510763324.1312.5.camel@gentoo.org> <75d4c538-3043-d98b-af6e-174552f2ff29@gentoo.org> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/3eGRVw3mGA9ccpMaRyJF_ua"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d2f88e4e-60f4-41dd-9484-bb9116724ece X-Archives-Hash: fd7d4b9dd7f7db81e61f4fc9fd5cd000 --Sig_/3eGRVw3mGA9ccpMaRyJF_ua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:21:59 -0500 NP-Hardass wrote: > >=20 > No, if you think there is an issue with the Council decision, you > should speak with the Council. Moreover... The Council is > responsible for technical decisions within Gentoo. Unless it > violates the Social Contract, I cannot see how the Trustees should be > involved here. They have empowered the Council to make technical > decisions as they see fit. There is nothing empowering the Council from the Trustees. Legally the Trustees could have final say. The Council is not a legal body nor formal in any legal filing. They have no say when it comes down to it from a legal perspective. However everything is structured such that the Council does have final say over all technical matters. That is something the community did, and adheres to. There is nothing, to my recollection, in Foundation By Laws or other that would connect the two. The council has no power over Trustees, and Trustees do have legal power over all of Gentoo. The Trustees just abstain from technical matters, as that is the structure the community has accepted. I am not aware of anything else with such structure. Nothing legally gives Council final say technically. That is just how things are, and likely will always remain as such. Which is some what strange as Trustees can be responsible for the actions of others. Despite having no say in such matters till it becomes a legal issue. IMHO I rather see a structure where Council is more like CTO. Still top for technical, but falls under Trustees for oversight, final say, etc. A normal structure like exists in most any business globally. They should work together more as one vs two bodies. --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/3eGRVw3mGA9ccpMaRyJF_ua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWgyhywAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UFrAAKCV/kahA8u3R7fiqFjfXJpdwVXCogCgvkZ4+iJWAhHUIctsyu27reMn6Fc= =Xq7y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3eGRVw3mGA9ccpMaRyJF_ua--