From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F907139694 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 695B81FC0FF; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [173.230.135.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 099E81FC0F8 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21333 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2017 14:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp1.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 31 Jul 2017 14:44:01 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(17073) on assp1.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp1.obsidian-studios.com m1-12241-14024 X-Assp-Session: 38F5E581AE0 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=localhost) by assp1.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 31 Jul 2017 10:44:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:43:52 -0400 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2462869.Cdz0UZGzAf@porto> References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> <20170731002830.GA14487@dt001651.civica.com.au> <2462869.Cdz0UZGzAf@porto> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/jOFX_6_LMNrQAJKVWponvTQ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 600ae34c-ae54-4b3c-883d-79bc2a81e452 X-Archives-Hash: a60503998e0d67c60c6c4acde8c0094b --Sig_/jOFX_6_LMNrQAJKVWponvTQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:59:25 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > Am Montag, 31. Juli 2017, 04:44:58 CEST schrieb William L. Thomson > Jr.: > >=20 > > How about no foundation. Not even a legal entity. No certifications > > from vendors, nor for employees. No one to hire for official > > support. There are so many things far beyond anything having to do > > with a stable tree or not. =20 >=20 > I was *this* close to nominaing you for Trustee, until I realized > you're not even a foundation member... Wait what? You blocked me from returning as a developer. Based on my human relation skills, or in your opinion lack there of.... https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D135927#c43 How would you think I be fit for foundation Trustee? Which is a liason type role, at least with outside entities. That makes little to no sense. A developer need technical skills more than personal. A Trustee needs personal and not so much technical.... Great logic! It seems that foundation membership been messed up pretty bad. This seems to be the list of members. Which seems to only be developers. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Member_List Per the by laws, one is only removed from membership via voluntary request, and/or majority vote of the trustees to remove a member. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_4.4._Continuation_of= _Membership https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_4.8._Voluntary_Withd= rawal_from_Membership https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_4.9._Termination_fro= m_Membership I may have requested removal, I seem to recall such. Though I am not sure others have. Seems the foundation is missing many members. Unless the trustees voted to remove many others. Also developers are not automatically added per bylaws. They must apply for such. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_4.3._Admission_of_Me= mbers --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/jOFX_6_LMNrQAJKVWponvTQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWX9CKAAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UKMPAJ9yC8LqJ8BkaqVrA+A3WrKZqvL8IgCfbVYzhbAOjUXOJo06I81iFUt2zq8= =wUj+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jOFX_6_LMNrQAJKVWponvTQ--