From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44CC4139083 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 19:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB97F1FC06A; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 19:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.obsidian-studios.com (mail2.obsidian-studios.com [45.79.71.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 375391FC052 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 19:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25432 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2017 19:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp2.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 28 Jul 2017 19:59:45 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(17073) on assp2.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp2.obsidian-studios.com m1-71985-12448 X-Assp-Session: 3D47E586550 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=localhost) by assp2.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 28 Jul 2017 12:59:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 15:59:36 -0400 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> <20170724232244.GT12397@stuge.se> <1931696.H1tAJ0QB7a@porto> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/TqQ+WkFuAQX2kcxHSRUIMOk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 30548934-85bf-4e8d-88cd-7f3025f12659 X-Archives-Hash: be8985007f16d23cc0c7257d44ad146f --Sig_/TqQ+WkFuAQX2kcxHSRUIMOk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 23:10:35 +1000 "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote: > On 28 July 2017 8:44:20 PM AEST, "Andreas K. Huettel" > wrote: > > >That's not feasible. It would kill off any semi-professional or > >professional=20 > >Gentoo use, where a minimum of stability is required.=20 > > > >(Try keeping ~10 machines on stable running without automation. > >That's already=20 > >quite some work. Now try the same with ~arch. Now imagine you're > >talking about=20 > >100 or 1000 machines.) =20 >=20 > And further, try proposing that to management - that you'll be > managing hosts on a platform that has no "stable" to speak of. The professional/management argument is silly. Most avoid Gentoo. Most companies, want to be able to pay for support. Not to mention certifications and such for those they hire. None of which Gentoo has regardless of stability. Not to mention reputation... Those that tend to run Gentoo have their own interest in such. I have seen many migrate from rather than to Gentoo. Large companies, who's names we would all know. One of the few left is Meetup.com. They run Gentoo as do some others. Seems Tivo does stuff with Gentoo, Google, Sony, etc. Some tend to hire Gentoo devs... --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/TqQ+WkFuAQX2kcxHSRUIMOk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWXuXqQAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UKM9AJ9ai+jk10V1EQrJoBOEqw+TBSZsbACgmC+LfW7fgoZIwjqJUlJcVnl2g8c= =zmmJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/TqQ+WkFuAQX2kcxHSRUIMOk--