From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 244AD139694 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64F12E0DD3; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [173.230.135.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A173E0DC2 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5221 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2017 19:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp1.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 10 Apr 2017 19:50:02 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(16366) on assp1.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp1.obsidian-studios.com m1-53802-10393 X-Assp-Session: 32A15123B58 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=localhost) by assp1.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 10 Apr 2017 15:50:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:49:57 -0400 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7756897.IrvZLuE8XP@note> References: <1491847844.1661.10.camel@gentoo.org> <7756897.IrvZLuE8XP@note> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/P48gXf3nLla.WR6gW0KOviU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: a75d06e4-d715-4525-8141-26ffc7061863 X-Archives-Hash: 5dc1d6b34e4928386d8bdbd8ffb76c92 --Sig_/P48gXf3nLla.WR6gW0KOviU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:31:54 +0700 "Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov" wrote: > > If Java can do it, so can others. =20 >=20 > And here I come with my 5=C2=A2. And my point here is simple: >=20 > No, Java (Team) can't. There is no Java team. People need to understand that. There are 2 people, who do not use Java nor code in Java. They do some routine stuff, but that is about it. There is another who maintains Netbeans and Tomcat, some dependencies. That is is. There is another developer who does stuff with java ,but is not actively working on Java in tree. No one really is, thus 300+ Java ebuilds in my overlay. In about a year, I should have most if not all of java in my overlay.... Mostly adding what is missing and some version bumps improvements etc. Still using a fair amount from tree. Later this year I will look to replace it all. > Every time I come to Java team with some report they suggest (as > joke, partially) to become a "full" developer (but not a contributor) > and take care of this by myself. That is because to proxy requires their time or another's. I pointed this out on -project some time ago. But not like people in Gentoo actually care about Gentoo. Other than the area they are in. I face the same. It is why I do not proxy. Since I cannot become a developer again, despite many attempts over the years. There is no solution for myself. I just work outside of Gentoo and it does not benefit. Not to mention the QA nightmares and harassment if I do try to proxy. Since I am incapable of writing working ebuilds without serious QA issues... =20 > And they never fixed the reported issue in less than few month. Because they do not care. They do not use the stuff. They are not really part of the Java team. Just helping out a very much neglected area for many years now. > And even if I doing a PR, it can take an eternity to be merged. If it gets merged ever... I have mentioned both of these before. Yet they remain open... There is only 1 or 2 people who will work these. Apr 26, 2016 www-servers/tomcat: add systemd support, bump to EAPI 6. #1358 https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1358 Jun 22, 2016 Add Java 9 (includes dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin, dev-java/oracle-jre-bin, virtual/jdk, virtual/jre) #1721 https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1721 > It looks like their infrastructure is so brainf**ing, that they > prefer to slack instead of doing maintenance. Very much so , while I maintain zero day stuff in my overlay. As I did in tree long ago. This is their own making. It is also others in Gentoo who refuse to allow others to correct this situation. If not myself, then find someone else.=20 > I asking excuse of every Java team member, if my words hurt any one > of them, but that is just my vision of the situation. I repeat there is no team. Knowing that will make the situation much more clear. This was why I got involved in Java back in 06. There were issues, and no one to fix. Thus I became a developer.=20 I have done so much now in my own overlay. Having been prevented from returning to do the work in tree. Even if I was a developer or become one again. It would take so much time to move it all to tree. Even if I scripted it. I haven't the interest any more. Gentoo can do what ever. Given the attitudes of some. I am glad I stay clear. It makes life better. Rather spend time on the beach then dealing with the rudeness here... --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/P48gXf3nLla.WR6gW0KOviU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWOvh5QAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UHyHAJwKR+Z6hgMR+OD4LQpSWhbABngm1QCePNY95EP2+CM9j5OG5j9LQ+SsWQc= =wkjb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/P48gXf3nLla.WR6gW0KOviU--