From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18B74139083 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C990A21C221; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.obsidian-studios.com (mail2.obsidian-studios.com [45.79.71.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A33421C0FA for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23975 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2017 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp2.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 10 Apr 2017 21:59:02 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(16366) on assp2.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp2.obsidian-studios.com m1-61541-11665 X-Assp-Session: 3A5908C6EC0 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=localhost) by assp2.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 10 Apr 2017 14:59:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:58:57 -0400 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1491859986.1661.19.camel@gentoo.org> References: <20170410203822.2cbc440b@snowblower> <5950999.Gx5BNhHzAl@note> <1491857471.1661.16.camel@gentoo.org> <1491859986.1661.19.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/OWLYv_MiX=L9ZmEc4JMAdQY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 9982e089-8506-41ab-bc54-3953deaf7f98 X-Archives-Hash: e1bf3ec78d71149a4a31eb874d2770c9 --Sig_/OWLYv_MiX=L9ZmEc4JMAdQY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:33:06 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > So, to summarize: you want to destroy a reasonably reliable dependency > system in favor of thing that randomly explodes because you failed at > hacking at it? Interesting comments. If the system is so well engineered. Why am I having to "hack" it as you call it? When did changing targets to only have 1 version of Ruby, or 2 pythons becoming hacking. I do like how it was phrased. It shows right there the issue. If ANYONE has to hack around it, it sucks.... =20 > Well, you've already dismissed the users for which it works out of > the box... obviously they're not a proper Gentoo users if they don't > break their system and then complain that Gentoo is doing everything > wrong because they can break their systems. Only users who it works for, is those who are not wanting specific versions and not others. As in those who do not set the targets and let them be wide open, or wildcard. So they do not care what is installed. They are likely also not doing much with USE flags or other things. They obviously do not care what is on their systems. Most any system admin does care about what is on their system. Every other version is another potential for security issues etc. What good system adminstrator just installs needless stuff because they are lazy. Neither of these are good points. hacking nor users who do not care to even set targets.... --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/OWLYv_MiX=L9ZmEc4JMAdQY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWOwAIQAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UHRBAKCbyHZmFPjmFurqW98V4QI2b7KRJgCfX9p7hLjgdJhdLN9qBCXP5PyA/ms= =K+Ej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/OWLYv_MiX=L9ZmEc4JMAdQY--