Re: [gentoo-dev] Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

[cycloon]

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>     If I understand your website correctly I can use the LiveCD as a rescue disk without installing Gentoo onto my hard drive. If this is correct where can I find instructions on how to do this. Thank you.

uhm, just put it in your cdrom and start your pc. after a minute you hav
a working gentoo system with lots of system-analyzing tools. Maybe i
misunderstood your Question but it is that easy

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

[Andreas Waschbuesch]

cycloon wrote:

>[Tom Saker wrote:]
>>     If I understand your website correctly I can use the LiveCD as a
>>     rescue disk without installing Gentoo onto my hard drive. If this
>>     is correct where can I find instructions on how to do this. Thank
>>     you.
> 
> uhm, just put it in your cdrom and start your pc. after a minute you
> hav a working gentoo system with lots of system-analyzing tools. Maybe
> i misunderstood your Question but it is that easy

Yes - or seems at least. But what does one do if he/she has none of 
those three or OK maybe four NICs supported by the iso? Right. Nothing. 
Those gentoo-isos are for gaming only IMHO. If You want HW support get 
knoppix.

-> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

[Pierre-Henri Jondot]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:11:15 +0200
Andreas Waschbuesch <awaschb@gwdg.de> wrote:

> cycloon wrote:
> 
> >[Tom Saker wrote:]
> >>     If I understand your website correctly I can use the LiveCD as a
> >>     rescue disk without installing Gentoo onto my hard drive. If this
> >>     is correct where can I find instructions on how to do this. Thank
> >>     you.
> > 
> > uhm, just put it in your cdrom and start your pc. after a minute you
> > hav a working gentoo system with lots of system-analyzing tools. Maybe
> > i misunderstood your Question but it is that easy
> 
> Yes - or seems at least. But what does one do if he/she has none of 
> those three or OK maybe four NICs supported by the iso? Right. Nothing. 
> Those gentoo-isos are for gaming only IMHO. If You want HW support get 
> knoppix.
> 
> -> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix
> 

The livecd's are a little more than that, IMHO, but you've made a point
though... The new functionalities (live linux rather than system in ram
filesystem, web browser, irc client, xwindows and... well, games) have come,
it seems, at a price...

Indeed, according to the bugs in bugs.gentoo.org, and what I see from time
to time on irc, there seem to be a lot of problems when configuring and
using some special hardware with the livecd (pcmcia for example but not
only)

I do hope the cds of the final 1.4 release won't suffer of these symptoms
(it only means, I guess, a reconfiguration of the kernel and modules present
on the cd) Btw, some beta-testing should be done, and I'm rather surprised
to see that the livecd on www.gentoo.org is already one month old...


As concerns knoppix, I would think that, for what concerns gentoo
installation, it is rather overkill... The basic gentoo livecd has
everything I want. What is the use of kde, openoffice during the very first
stages of installation ? 

Please, gentoo developers, upload as soon as possible a new livecd... It is
a little tireful to have to propose to gentooers to use the old gentoo 1.2
iso (derived from the 1.1a iso) rather than the livecd...

Just my two cents,
-- 
Pierre-Henri Jondot <Pierre-Henri.Jondot@wanadoo.fr>
Page perso : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/phj

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

[Andreas Waschbuesch]

Pierre-Henri Jondot wrote:

> [ a bit "tightened" here]
> Andreas Waschbuesch <awaschb@gwdg.de> wrote:
> 
>> cycloon wrote:
>> 
>> > Tom Saker wrote:
>> >>    [ gentoo-iso as a RESCUE system - how ]
>> > 
>> > [ boot the cd - finished! ]
>> 
>> Yes - or seems at least. But what does one do if he/she has none of
>> those three or OK maybe four NICs supported by the iso? Right.
>> Nothing. Those gentoo-isos are for gaming only IMHO. If You want HW
>> support get knoppix.
>> 
>> -> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix
>> 
> 
> The livecd's are a little more than that, IMHO, but you've made a
> point though... The new functionalities (live linux rather than system
> in ram filesystem, web browser, irc client, xwindows and... well,
> games) have come, it seems, at a price...

Right. I was a bit mean. But Tom asked for a rescue system. In this case 
I won't recommend the gentoo iso - sorry. He'd have to rescue the 
rescue system ...

> Indeed, according to the bugs in bugs.gentoo.org, and what I see from
> time to time on irc, there seem to be a lot of problems when
> configuring and using some special hardware with the livecd (pcmcia
> for example but not only)

Yes. Full ACK here.

> I do hope the cds of the final 1.4 release won't suffer of these
> symptoms (it only means, I guess, a reconfiguration of the kernel and
> modules present on the cd) Btw, some beta-testing should be done, and
> I'm rather surprised to see that the livecd on www.gentoo.org is
> already one month old...

Concerning gentoo installation I'd rather like to see the "good old" 
mini isos (16MB) with somewhat "current" config as installation base. 
That'd be enough. Who wants to download those bloated "everything 
included" isos as the ONE choice? OK. Apart from that - a demo CD or 
maybe even full stage3 Live CD and maybe more as alternatives, OK.

> As concerns knoppix, I would think that, for what concerns gentoo
> installation, it is rather overkill... The basic gentoo livecd has
> everything I want. What is the use of kde, openoffice during the very
> first stages of installation ?

Again: Tom asked for a rescue system. U can start the knoppix isos with 
SOME configs. 16MB RAM and a 468 or higher with a bios or controller 
"able" to boot from cdrom is enough. BTW the hardware recognition and 
the palette of supported components is very good. So where is the 
problem? The rest is for tomsrtbt, coyote, fli - whatever. Again, 
concerning installation: look above ...

> Please, gentoo developers, upload as soon as possible a new livecd...
> It is a little tireful to have to propose to gentooers to use the old
> gentoo 1.2 iso (derived from the 1.1a iso) rather than the livecd...

It exists _and_ it works _and_ the smallest one is only 16MB ...

> Just my two cents,

So what's the trade for my 2 Euro Cents? ;-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

[Pierre-Henri Jondot]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:55:22 +0200
Andreas Waschbuesch <awaschb@gwdg.de> wrote:

> Concerning gentoo installation I'd rather like to see the "good old" 
> mini isos (16MB) with somewhat "current" config as installation base. 
> That'd be enough. Who wants to download those bloated "everything 
> included" isos as the ONE choice? OK. Apart from that - a demo CD or 
> maybe even full stage3 Live CD and maybe more as alternatives, OK.
> (derived from the 1.1a iso) rather than the livecd...
> 
> It exists _and_ it works _and_ the smallest one is only 16MB ...
> 
Right but : in gentoo 1.1a and 1.2 isos
  ramdisk is something like 22Mb ram : which is as much as you won't have
for building your gentoo system. (and it is nearly full... you can't add
much except with enlarging the ramdisk)

  the ramdisk is the reason too why you can't have a decent editor, (all
right nano is quite sufficient for editing a few configuration files but
still...)

It is the reason too why you won't find an irc client, and I must say that
one the qualities of gentoo is irc support, neither will you find a web
browser, be it in text mode only.

You have all that in livecd with a size that is decent for the basic livecd
as well as for exemple rp-pppoe binaries which, needless to say, are very
useful for us european dsl users. (I did patch the gentoo 1.2 to add
rp-pppoe support then, but the process is much more natural with the
livecd...)

There is still much work to be done to make it near perfection... But my
point is simply to say it is worth it. I don't suppose any work will be done
towards coming back to the ramdisk old isos used, and, IMHO, it is better
this way. 
> 
> So what's the trade for my 2 Euro Cents? ;-)
> 

Well, as you can guess I was thinking euro too...

-- 
Pierre-Henri Jondot <Pierre-Henri.Jondot@wanadoo.fr>
Page perso : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/phj

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Using Gentoo Live CD as a rescue disk

[Andreas Waschbuesch]

Pierre-Henri Jondot wrote:

> [ tightened again ]
> Andreas Waschbuesch <awaschb@gwdg.de> wrote:
> 
>> [ iso/live CD bashing ]
> Right but : in gentoo 1.1a and 1.2 isos
>   ramdisk is something like 22Mb ram : which is as much as you won't
>   have
> for building your gentoo system. (and it is nearly full... you can't
> add much except with enlarging the ramdisk)
>
>   the ramdisk is the reason too why you can't have a decent editor,
>   (all
> right nano is quite sufficient for editing a few configuration files
> but still...)

OK. That's an argument. Thumbs up for a live CD WITH vi!
 
> It is the reason too why you won't find an irc client, and I must say
> that one the qualities of gentoo is irc support, neither will you find
> a web browser, be it in text mode only.

Agreed. Never thought of that - knock on wood - cause I never had 
problems installing gentoo. Another vote for a live CD WITH links and 
irssi!

> You have all that in livecd with a size that is decent for the basic
> livecd as well as for exemple rp-pppoe binaries which, needless to
> say, are very useful for us european dsl users. (I did patch the
> gentoo 1.2 to add rp-pppoe support then, but the process is much more
> natural with the livecd...)

Hm. What about a router/gateway? Agreed, that box must be built up once, 
too :-)

> There is still much work to be done to make it near perfection... But
> my point is simply to say it is worth it. I don't suppose any work
> will be done towards coming back to the ramdisk old isos used, and,
> IMHO, it is better this way.

I'm still not sure, they can't be handy alternatives in some (here: all) 
cases ...

>> So what's the trade for my 2 Euro Cents? ;-)
> 
> Well, as you can guess I was thinking euro too...
> 

So I owe You nothing but "thanks!" ;-)