From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C27DE139085 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17AD7E0DD1; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout01.plus.net (avasout01.plus.net [84.93.230.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90053E0C5D for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([46.208.76.211]) by avasout01 with smtp id TqX41u0084ZY9cm01qX5BY; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:31:05 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=CdF43Pjl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=3fABx4uJ6eXoS02SKkQYwQ==:117 a=3fABx4uJ6eXoS02SKkQYwQ==:17 a=13zjGPudsaEWiJwPRgMA:9 a=WbPmnYzAfxEA:10 a=7mOBRU54AAAA:8 a=oX2-f-scruoksk0aOXMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=c9LwgXWa2T_5f88x5ncA:9 a=ONNS8QRKHyMA:10 a=wa9RWnbW_A1YIeRBVszw:22 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due to retirement To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <4a185773-6144-69b8-a466-0e554732f12f@gentoo.org> <20170101181644.366769b2@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <37f7a2ac-6214-deaf-01a3-871cecca96b2@gentoo.org> <20170103120510.325206fa.mgorny@gentoo.org> From: "M. J. Everitt" Openpgp: id=BA266E0525CFAB101523351B4C30334F93C22371 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:31:02 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170103120510.325206fa.mgorny@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cuLeMQiVvQFl0vhQ3nRJhPKkKusv5ncRw" X-Archives-Salt: 7c350d30-7f47-417d-b6d1-33488bbe9f67 X-Archives-Hash: b0db6a8ab8586eb8b548c41e7fb38271 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --cuLeMQiVvQFl0vhQ3nRJhPKkKusv5ncRw Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="k5G8oQqU7DGlLMkCW15IxedFhnExidmmA" From: "M. J. Everitt" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due to retirement References: <4a185773-6144-69b8-a466-0e554732f12f@gentoo.org> <20170101181644.366769b2@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <37f7a2ac-6214-deaf-01a3-871cecca96b2@gentoo.org> <20170103120510.325206fa.mgorny@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20170103120510.325206fa.mgorny@gentoo.org> --k5G8oQqU7DGlLMkCW15IxedFhnExidmmA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/01/17 11:05, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 16:00:52 +0700 (+07) > grozin@gentoo.org wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2017, Brian Evans wrote: >>> IMO, this one should be given last-rites as upstream is dead and it >>> heavily depends on wireless-tools and WEXT. =20 >> I use it on 2 notebooks. It works fine, and is (from my point of view)= the=20 >> most convenient tool to control ethernet and wifi connections on a=20 >> notebook. Why lastrite it when it works? > This is the Gentoo Way=E2=84=A2. Having a working software is not a goa= l. > Gentoo focuses on the best bleeding edge experience and therefore > highly relies on software packages that are under active development > and require active maintenance. The packages in early stages of > development are especially interesting since they can supply users > and developers with variety of interesting bugs and unpredictable > issues. > =46rom your response I infer the following, please discuss: 1) "working software is not a goal" .. so we can have a tree full of broken and/or unstable packages. What is the point of any QA/CI system if this is applicable? 2) "require active maintainance" .. by whom exactly? Where are the flood of keen developers bringing their bleeding edge code (with their ludicrous packaging requirements and language demands) to Gentoo? 3) "interesting bugs and unpredictable isssue" .. WTF? Michal .. are you (once again...) 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