From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E35FA13832E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CE3D21C13C; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-m011e.mx.aol.com (omr-m011e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 730C2E0B24 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mba01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mba01.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.109]) by omr-m011e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8AC6E38000A4 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.52] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e35325d [71.122.242.106]) by mtaout-mba01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 2BC8E38000097; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20160806211255.GI12988@foo.stuge.se> <49994385-FEB7-4951-B324-ED1BC66899D4@gentoo.org> <20160807073824.GA1030@daphne> <20160807140904.GA4941@daphne> From: james Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:44:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160807140904.GA4941@daphne> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856d57a763780771 X-AOL-IP: 71.122.242.106 X-Archives-Salt: 77fa9d06-1d3d-4a3f-8985-caa1cd59b85d X-Archives-Hash: 518177f5683608c6d5e5b495e2d00ec7 On 08/07/2016 09:09 AM, Consus wrote: > On 08:24 Sun 07 Aug, james wrote: >> On 08/07/2016 02:38 AM, Consus wrote: >>> On 08:48 Sun 07 Aug, Michał Górny wrote: >>>> Sure we do. In the meantime, nobody uses gentoo anymore because it >>>> still can't deal with accepting contributions and in the meantime the >>>> few last developers retired, and users long ago switched to the >>>> comparatively recent distribution of Debian stable. >>> >>> Finally the voice of reason. >> >> Reasonable? Are you kidding? >> >> >> In this day and age, quick installs are the mantra, either for VMs or >> containers or workstations, particularly for application-specific-servers or >> a variety of security apparatus. Although the 'handbook' is an excellent >> reference guide and noob-filter, the simple fact of the matter is most (nix) >> professionals consider the gentoo install system to be arcane and an >> incredible 'cost barrier to entry'. THAT, the lack of a well thought out, >> smooth, quick/easy install which is intentionally not available, because it >> is seen as a satanic idea, is the 800 pound gorilla on why folks >> passionately avoid gentoo..... > > Err... On that one I agree. How the hell does it change the fact that > GitHub improved contributions? Ok, so I should have prune the post to focus my response:: "In the meantime, nobody uses gentoo anymore because" My response is not about github, the past or the future of the Version Control, Contributions or such, espoused by github. My responses are to why such a mature and wonderful distro, Gentoo specifically, is suffering::"nobody uses gentoo anymore". And in fact I mildly questioned if that is the case. I think we all agree that there is some mistery as to why gentoo is not grower more attractive, to folks not using gentoo, at a faster rate with greater uptake on a permanent commitment to gentoo (if I may politely be so bold?). Git hub is fine. Sure, I'd like to see the tree run on something opensource, but, github is fine, for now. ymmv. The future, who knows. hth, James