[gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Pacho Ramos]

Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE is empty

Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a
long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages
would also be an option

Thanks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Raymond Jennings]

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Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE is empty
>
> Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a
> long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages
> would also be an option
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[james]

On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org
> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
>     Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE
>     <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty
>
>     Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a
>     long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages
>     would also be an option
>
>     Thanks
>
>

+1::

me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be a 
news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to
lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a wee 
bit of migration detail....


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Nathan Zachary]

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On 10/08/16 07:12, james wrote:
> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
>> Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org
>> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE
>>     <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty
>>
>>     Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead
>> for a
>>     long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages
>>     would also be an option
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>
>
> +1::
>
> me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be
> a news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to
> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a
> wee bit of migration detail....
>
>
> hth,
> James
>
I was under the impression that both LXDE and LXQT would continue
development, but that LXQT would be favoured.  Is there an official
statement that LXDE is dead?

Cheers,
Nathan Zachary




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Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[james]

On 08/10/2016 09:44 AM, Nathan Zachary wrote:
> On 10/08/16 07:12, james wrote:
>> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
>>> Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org
>>> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE
>>>     <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty
>>>
>>>     Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead
>>> for a
>>>     long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages
>>>     would also be an option
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>> +1::
>>
>> me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be
>> a news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to
>> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a
>> wee bit of migration detail....
>>
>>
>> hth,
>> James
>>
> I was under the impression that both LXDE and LXQT would continue
> development, but that LXQT would be favoured.  Is there an official
> statement that LXDE is dead?
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan Zachary

Upstream:: NO :: Release date and age 	February 21, 2016

But upstream is dev light, to say the least. Here at gentoo,
the dev maint situation for lxde is:: skinny, at best [1].

So I guess dev are reading the tea leaves. I'm sure a proxy-maintainer 
stepping forward for either,  would be keenly appreciated, but lxqt has 
always been on my scope.... ymmv. If you believe upstream, then lxqt is
the future.


[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE

hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Pacho Ramos]

El mié, 10-08-2016 a las 07:12 -0500, james escribió:
> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.
> > 
> > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org
> > <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote:
> > 
> >     Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE
> >     <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty
> > 
> >     Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead
> > for a
> >     long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the
> > packages
> >     would also be an option
> > 
> >     Thanks
> > 
> > 
> 
> +1::
> 
> me too. I have it on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be
> a 
> news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to
> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a
> wee 
> bit of migration detail....
> 
> 
> hth,
> James
> 

What is needed apart of emerging the new desktop and starting to use
it? 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[james]

On 08/10/2016 01:46 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 10-08-2016 a las 07:12 -0500, james escribió:
>> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.

+_1
(correctly located).

>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org
>>> <mailto:pacho@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE
>>>     <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty
>>>
>>>     Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead
>>> for a
>>>     long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the
>>> packages
>>>     would also be an option
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>> me too. I have it

LXDE, that is, and I like it very much.

 >> on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be a
>> news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to
>> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a
>> wee  bit of migration detail....
>>
>>
>> hth,
>> James
>>
>
> What is needed apart of emerging the new desktop and starting to use
> it?

Changes in config files? Has this been tested? Surely folks have a 
myriad of setups with lxde and those do not automagically migrate to 
lxqt, or do they?  If/when lxde goes away are there other similar 
choices in lieu of lxqt ? The reason I say this, is the lxde installs I 
have done (all 3) have had extensive hacking to get things to work. But 
once that was done, they (lxde setups) require little to nothing, which 
strongly appeals to me. Hack it once and done.

For example on usb, I gave up and just installed udevil. Most DE users 
expect usb usage to be ubiquitous. I know I did before I ever installed 
lxde. likewise dvd burning, particularly double sided medias. Others 
have different solutions. Terminal windows. I spent days reading and 
hacking to get a Kludge I like. I have not had the time to migrate 
things to lxqt, despite tinkering around with it. The next system I 
install, will go direct to lxqt. I left KDE for many bloated reasons. I 
sure hope lxqt is light weight, easy to setup and config and stable.
I have a deep disdain for DEs that require adming work. I want to do my 
admin and dev work on clusters, not the rendering/command/control system
know as a workstation.

To me, the entirety of KDE should be replaced with aggressive and 
ubiquitious clusters, where any mixture of codes, kde included can be 
run. KDE is an OS, and a bloated one at that, that imposes itself on my 
DE. I want no part of the KDE vision, nor any other DE that does more 
than provide a fast environment to display apps. There is a growing 
crowd of folks that like minimal DE environments, imho. Advances should 
be in the cluster or a single local server, imho. So, actually, I'd like 
to keep lxde into perpetuity and it'd be perfect to train folks for 
proxy-maint, imho. Safe, stable, extraordinarily useful and not critical 
to anything in the core system. Folks do not have use it.
Old, stable codes are worth their weight in gold, but we must be trendy, 
right? So we need to removed lxde, right?


I mean thing about it from a different prospective. I have a vintage 
car, not being maintained any more by the manufacturer. It's worthless 
now, right? Let's just toss it away so nobody can use it or maintain it 
right. Turns out old vintige cars are worth a bloody fortune now days.
Who is to say in 20 or 30 years, these old code will not be worth 
extreme value to folks? It costs nothing to just park the codes and 
ignore them. Mark lxde as you like and move it to an overlay and let it 
sit idle, if you have to clean the tree, that's my wisdom on the matter.

My (college aged kids) get down boxes of old electronic toys to play 
with every christmas. It's a blast and friend of all ages enjoy this one 
a year treat too. Whos to say and old DE might not be the same
experience one day?


But, I suspect you are implying the correct answer is "Nothing". I'm 
just saying if/when lxde goes away or a news item first comes out and 
encourages lxde folks to migrate  to lxqt, then some detail as to the 
situation and easy migration steps, shows a kinder  and gentler Gentoo. 
I think that's this is one of the proxy-maint exit test questions; when 
is a News item is warranted. So this is  my opinion, particular if an 
update removes lxde and installs lxqt; a news item is then definitely 
warranted.

I'm not against keeping lxde around, at all. But from the last year of
experiences with tree cleaning it is more of a religious agenda than 
removing what has to be removed. I know, I have dozens of old codes 
sitting quite peacefully in /usr/local.... and working just fine.

But I do not enjoy the pressures of being a gentoo dev, so do what you 
have to do; news items are great. ymmv. I recommend that you convert 
your (gentoo dev) burdens into a peaceful pleasure as you see fit.

Now if you are asking what's broken with news items, then I have an 
idea, so they do not have to be avoided. Require all news items to be
very short. A sentence or 2 and more than 50 words. Also they should 
have a link to the longer answers and details. That would make 2/3 news 
items per day, pretty cool, ymmv. An additional benefit, is that those 
linked documents can be annotated more than once and edited until near 
perfection (think back to the ncurses debacle.... thank goodness for 
vapier. I spent a week stabalizing almost a dozen (gentoo) systems on 
that ncurses nightmare and there should have been one place to read 
(concurrently) what went wrong and what to do. On gentoo-user, there was 
much more zagging than zigging...... (granted to others it was no big deal).


OK? I'm happy with whatever you decide to do.

TIA,
James

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Tom H]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:06 PM, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I have not had the time to migrate things to lxqt, despite tinkering
> around with it. The next system I install, will go direct to lxqt. I
> left KDE for many bloated reasons. I sure hope lxqt is light weight,
> easy to setup and config and stable.

If LXQT's too bloated for you, try Lumina:

https://lumina-desktop.org/

There's an ebuild.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[james]

On 08/10/2016 04:07 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:06 PM, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have not had the time to migrate things to lxqt, despite tinkering
>> around with it. The next system I install, will go direct to lxqt. I
>> left KDE for many bloated reasons. I sure hope lxqt is light weight,
>> easy to setup and config and stable.
>
> If LXQT's too bloated for you, try Lumina:
>
> https://lumina-desktop.org/
>
> There's an ebuild.
>
>

Yep the ebuild is clean and well written; I shall put that one in my
EAPI-6 reference folder....

I looked at some of the code (https://github.com/trueos/lumina), 
impressive, clean and well organized. I do like what I've seen on quick,
first glance.


I did a quick search and did not find a comparison of lumina to lxqt. 
I'd like to see a feature comparison to lxqt; gotta ref on the 
comparison? I'm interested but cannot commit to a timeline for some test 
deployments. For sure this DE is aimed at security and flexibility
and I do like that.

thx Tom,
James

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Tom H]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:16 PM, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 08/10/2016 04:07 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> If LXQT's too bloated for you, try Lumina:
>>
>> https://lumina-desktop.org/
>>
>> There's an ebuild.
>
> I did a quick search and did not find a comparison of lumina to lxqt.
> I'd like to see a feature comparison to lxqt; gotta ref on the
> comparison?
>
> thx Tom,

You're welcome.

Sorry, I have no refs. There may not be a head-to-head comparison and
it might make sense because Lumina's more of a WM+ than a DE.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Hanno Böck]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 10:22:28 +0200
Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE is empty
> 
> Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead for a
> long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the packages
> would also be an option

Oh...

I'm actually using lxde and I have recently pushed a bunch of memory
safety fixes to upstream that were a result of my address sanitizer
testing.

LXDE upstream isn't totally dead, occasionally releases with fixes
happen, yet they're slow.

I'll look that I maintain some of the stuff, yet I'd prefer if I'd be
not the only one.

-- 
Hanno Böck
https://hboeck.de/

mail/jabber: hanno@hboeck.de
GPG: BBB51E42

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Hanno Böck]

Ok, so it seems I'm currently the only one interested.

While the wiki page lists no other devs, there are two more devs listed
in the email alias, yet they haven't replied to my questions whether
they consider themselve still part of the project.

I'll take over the project now and will start committing latest upstream
updates piece by piece.

Not sure if there's any long term future for LXDE, but for the time
being I'll take care of it.

-- 
Hanno Böck
https://hboeck.de/

mail/jabber: hanno@hboeck.de
GPG: BBB51E42

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Pacho Ramos]

El sáb, 13-08-2016 a las 22:39 -0700, Hanno Böck escribió:
> Ok, so it seems I'm currently the only one interested.
> 
> While the wiki page lists no other devs, there are two more devs
> listed
> in the email alias, yet they haven't replied to my questions whether
> they consider themselve still part of the project.
> 
> I'll take over the project now and will start committing latest
> upstream
> updates piece by piece.
> 
> Not sure if there's any long term future for LXDE, but for the time
> being I'll take care of it.
> 

When looking to bugs assigned to the team I found some people willing
to help via proxy-maint too... you should be CCed by me in that bug
report for being aware :)

Thanks for joining the team!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[Raymond Jennings]

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From an interested user, you have my thanks.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:38 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:

> El sáb, 13-08-2016 a las 22:39 -0700, Hanno Böck escribió:
> > Ok, so it seems I'm currently the only one interested.
> >
> > While the wiki page lists no other devs, there are two more devs
> > listed
> > in the email alias, yet they haven't replied to my questions whether
> > they consider themselve still part of the project.
> >
> > I'll take over the project now and will start committing latest
> > upstream
> > updates piece by piece.
> >
> > Not sure if there's any long term future for LXDE, but for the time
> > being I'll take care of it.
> >
>
> When looking to bugs assigned to the team I found some people willing
> to help via proxy-maint too... you should be CCed by me in that bug
> report for being aware :)
>
> Thanks for joining the team!
>
>

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