From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99A2113832E for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1959B21C0A1; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (omr-a005e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F36C1E0B6D for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-aao01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aao01.mx.aol.com [172.27.21.13]) by omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7A3EF3800092 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.52] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e35325d [71.122.242.106]) by mtaout-aao01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 05C4E38000093; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <1470558148.17315.118.camel@gentoo.org> <4357be9c-9d23-eb9a-d77e-f0b1dd0d075a@verizon.net> <1470854793.31785.0.camel@gentoo.org> From: james Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:06:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1470854793.31785.0.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b150d57ab87654560 X-AOL-IP: 71.122.242.106 X-Archives-Salt: 4daa28b7-40af-46f6-a503-7bfc622258de X-Archives-Hash: 3e8923ebd34677c22a9ae76f0f947d8a On 08/10/2016 01:46 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mié, 10-08-2016 a las 07:12 -0500, james escribió: >> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >>> >>> Hey, just a heads up as a user. I'm currently using LXDE. +_1 (correctly located). >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos >> > wrote: >>> >>> Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE >>> is empty >>> >>> Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead >>> for a >>> long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the >>> packages >>> would also be an option >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> >> me too. I have it LXDE, that is, and I like it very much. >> on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be a >> news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to >> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a >> wee bit of migration detail.... >> >> >> hth, >> James >> > > What is needed apart of emerging the new desktop and starting to use > it? Changes in config files? Has this been tested? Surely folks have a myriad of setups with lxde and those do not automagically migrate to lxqt, or do they? If/when lxde goes away are there other similar choices in lieu of lxqt ? The reason I say this, is the lxde installs I have done (all 3) have had extensive hacking to get things to work. But once that was done, they (lxde setups) require little to nothing, which strongly appeals to me. Hack it once and done. For example on usb, I gave up and just installed udevil. Most DE users expect usb usage to be ubiquitous. I know I did before I ever installed lxde. likewise dvd burning, particularly double sided medias. Others have different solutions. Terminal windows. I spent days reading and hacking to get a Kludge I like. I have not had the time to migrate things to lxqt, despite tinkering around with it. The next system I install, will go direct to lxqt. I left KDE for many bloated reasons. I sure hope lxqt is light weight, easy to setup and config and stable. I have a deep disdain for DEs that require adming work. I want to do my admin and dev work on clusters, not the rendering/command/control system know as a workstation. To me, the entirety of KDE should be replaced with aggressive and ubiquitious clusters, where any mixture of codes, kde included can be run. KDE is an OS, and a bloated one at that, that imposes itself on my DE. I want no part of the KDE vision, nor any other DE that does more than provide a fast environment to display apps. There is a growing crowd of folks that like minimal DE environments, imho. Advances should be in the cluster or a single local server, imho. So, actually, I'd like to keep lxde into perpetuity and it'd be perfect to train folks for proxy-maint, imho. Safe, stable, extraordinarily useful and not critical to anything in the core system. Folks do not have use it. Old, stable codes are worth their weight in gold, but we must be trendy, right? So we need to removed lxde, right? I mean thing about it from a different prospective. I have a vintage car, not being maintained any more by the manufacturer. It's worthless now, right? Let's just toss it away so nobody can use it or maintain it right. Turns out old vintige cars are worth a bloody fortune now days. Who is to say in 20 or 30 years, these old code will not be worth extreme value to folks? It costs nothing to just park the codes and ignore them. Mark lxde as you like and move it to an overlay and let it sit idle, if you have to clean the tree, that's my wisdom on the matter. My (college aged kids) get down boxes of old electronic toys to play with every christmas. It's a blast and friend of all ages enjoy this one a year treat too. Whos to say and old DE might not be the same experience one day? But, I suspect you are implying the correct answer is "Nothing". I'm just saying if/when lxde goes away or a news item first comes out and encourages lxde folks to migrate to lxqt, then some detail as to the situation and easy migration steps, shows a kinder and gentler Gentoo. I think that's this is one of the proxy-maint exit test questions; when is a News item is warranted. So this is my opinion, particular if an update removes lxde and installs lxqt; a news item is then definitely warranted. I'm not against keeping lxde around, at all. But from the last year of experiences with tree cleaning it is more of a religious agenda than removing what has to be removed. I know, I have dozens of old codes sitting quite peacefully in /usr/local.... and working just fine. But I do not enjoy the pressures of being a gentoo dev, so do what you have to do; news items are great. ymmv. I recommend that you convert your (gentoo dev) burdens into a peaceful pleasure as you see fit. Now if you are asking what's broken with news items, then I have an idea, so they do not have to be avoided. Require all news items to be very short. A sentence or 2 and more than 50 words. Also they should have a link to the longer answers and details. That would make 2/3 news items per day, pretty cool, ymmv. An additional benefit, is that those linked documents can be annotated more than once and edited until near perfection (think back to the ncurses debacle.... thank goodness for vapier. I spent a week stabalizing almost a dozen (gentoo) systems on that ncurses nightmare and there should have been one place to read (concurrently) what went wrong and what to do. On gentoo-user, there was much more zagging than zigging...... (granted to others it was no big deal). OK? I'm happy with whatever you decide to do. TIA, James