[gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ferris McCormick]

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I also nominate:
NeddySeagoon

Regards,
Ferris
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[George Prowse]

Ferris McCormick wrote:
> I also nominate:
> NeddySeagoon
> 
> Regards,
> Ferris

I completely agree. Few people have done more behind the scenes as Roy.

I would also like to nominate zmendico for his excellent work with portage.

George
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Alex Howells]

>
> I completely agree. Few people have done more behind the scenes as Roy.
> I would also like to nominate zmendico for his excellent work with portage.
>

I agree with both of these and also think both agaffney and wolf31o2
would serve us excellently on Council.  Consider them nominated too :)

Alex
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 14:46 +0100, Alex Howells wrote:
> I agree with both of these and also think both agaffney and wolf31o2
> would serve us excellently on Council.  Consider them nominated too :)

Thanks, but I no longer have the time nor the desire to dedicate to the
Council.

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Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Games Developer

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2008.06.06 19:27, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> I also nominate:
> NeddySeagoon
> 
> Regards,
> Ferris
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> Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@gentoo.org>
> Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)
> 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

After a week of deliberation, I've decided to decline my council 
nomination.

The existing council have been doing a good job and judging by 
Thursdays meeting have successfully addressed the meeting length 
problem. This election, triggered by a possible cock up can be turned 
to Gentoos advantage by re-electing the current council.

Such a result will provide both continuity and stability which can only 
be good for Gentoo. If you were thinking of voting for me, please vote 
for the outgoing council members instead.

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Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon) a member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
treecleaners
trustees

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[gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ferris McCormick]

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I'll try again. :)
I nominate
rane
welp
zlin

Regards,
Ferris

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Alex Howells]

I nominate everyone on the current Council and/or second anyone else
nominating them :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Alex Howells]

I nominate everyone on the current Council and/or second anyone else
nominating them :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Peter Weller]

Count me in. I don't really know whether or not to write a manifesto as
such... I mean, it's obviously good to know what the person who you're
voting for wants to do, but... All the nominees are just going to write
about the latest and greatest issues (see my old manifesto). But I'm
generally about openness and keeping everything open, plain and simple.
I don't want rules which can easily be manipliated by a select few so
they can achieve their own ends. I want rules which can be taken at face
value, and I guess that's what I'd do to "fix" GLEP <whatever>.

I can't remember what else I was "supposed" to write about, and I don't
really want to open up NeddySeagoon's email to do so, since it probably
won't make much of a difference...

These things seem to be a case of "I like the way you think, I want you
in, I'll vote for you". If you like the way I think, you'll probably
know it already, and you won't need some manifesto to confirm it. So.
I'll leave this email at this, and let you make up your own minds.

If any of you election officials want to make this my "manifesto", feel
free to do so.

welp

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> I'll try again. :)
> I nominate
> rane
> welp
> zlin
> 
> Regards,
> Ferris
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Alex Howells]

I wish to nominate a couple more people:

   Halcy0n
   tsunam
   solar
   robbat2
   KingTaco

All of whom should do a fine job, IMO.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Mark Loeser]

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Alex Howells <astinus@gentoo.org> said:
> I wish to nominate a couple more people:
> 
>    Halcy0n
>    tsunam
>    solar
>    robbat2
>    KingTaco
> 
> All of whom should do a fine job, IMO.

Thanks.  I accept my nomination.  My platform is pretty simple, I want
Gentoo to get back to doing fun and innovative things.  If you are also
sick of all of the politics and want to take the no bullshit approach,
that's what I want to try to achieve.  We are all volunteers and there
is no reason to needlessly troll or bash other people's work.

-- 
Mark Loeser
email         -   halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org
email         -   mark AT halcy0n DOT com
web           -   http://www.halcy0n.com

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[gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Łukasz Damentko]

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Hi guys,

Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).

All nominations must be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list. If you
were nominated and want to run, you have to accept your nomination on
the same mailing list.

Here are the rules:

    *  Council elections generally happen once a year
    * The council is composed of seven elected members
    * Nominations are allowed from June 5th 0000 UTC to June 18th 2359 UTC
    * Only Gentoo developers may be nominated
    * Anyone can nominate (nominating yourself is OK)
    * Nominees must accept their nomination before voting begins
    * Voting is opened from June 21st 0000 UTC to July 4th 2359 UTC
      (there are two days of break between nominations and voting so
infra have time to set up everything)
    * Only Gentoo developers may vote
    * Gentoo uses the Condorcet method of voting

The page listing all nominations is here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-nominees.xml

If you don't know what the Gentoo Council is, you can read about it here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

If you want to ask a question or share your thoughts, contact any of
the election officials:

Łukasz Damentko (rane)
Alec Warner (antarus)
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto (jmbsvicetto)
Shyam Mani (fox2mike) will be doing infra magic.

You can send us an e-mail or find us on Freenode (#gentoo-elections,
#gentoo-dev, so on).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Josh Saddler]

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Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).

Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council 
members (again):

amne
betelgeuse
dberkholz
flameeyes
jokey
lu_zero
vapier


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Fabian Groffen]

On 05-06-2008 02:35:16 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council  
> members (again):

I nominate:

dertobi123
fmccor


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Gentoo on a different level
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Tobias Scherbaum]

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Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 05-06-2008 02:35:16 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> > Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council  
> > members (again):
> 
> I nominate:
> 
> dertobi123

Though I'm in favor of just re-electing the current council members as
they did a very good job in general, I'm going to accept your nomination
and run again for the council.
My manifesto is (still) available at
http://www.scherbaum.info/~tobias/manifesto

Thanks!
  Tobias
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http://www.mitp.de/1769

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:44:19 +0200
Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 05-06-2008 02:35:16 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> > Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council  
> > members (again):
> 
> I nominate:
> 
> dertobi123
> fmccor
> 
> 

OK, I'll accept, if only because I think generally people who are
nominated should accept.

> -- 
> Fabian Groffen
> Gentoo on a different level
> -- 
> gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
> 

Regards,
Ferris
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Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@gentoo.org>
Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Luca Barbato]

Josh Saddler wrote:
> Łukasz Damentko wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council 
> members (again):
> lu_zero

Thank you, I accept.

lu

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Gentoo Council Member
Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:35:16 -0700
Josh Saddler <nightmorph@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current
> council members (again):
> 
> amne
> betelgeuse
> dberkholz
> flameeyes
> jokey
> lu_zero
> vapier

As per GLEP 39, I'd like all of the above to justify their slackerness.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Doug Goldstein]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:35:16 -0700
> Josh Saddler <nightmorph@gentoo.org> wrote:
>   
>> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current
>> council members (again):
>>
>> amne
>> betelgeuse
>> dberkholz
>> flameeyes
>> jokey
>> lu_zero
>> vapier
>>     
>
> As per GLEP 39, I'd like all of the above to justify their slackerness.
>
>   
Once the above people accept their nominations and present the platforms 
they are running on, you can bring these points up. But until that 
point, this is a simple nomination process and as such this is unrelated 
so please take it off list.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Petteri Räty]

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Josh Saddler kirjoitti:
> Łukasz Damentko wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council 
> members (again):
> 
> amne
> betelgeuse
> dberkholz
> flameeyes
> jokey
> lu_zero
> vapier
> 

Thanks. I accept.

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Richard Brown]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Josh Saddler <nightmorph@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Łukasz Damentko wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
>
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council
> members (again):

This was the first of many nominations for the incumbent council that
gave no reason as to why they should be voted for in this election, as
several of them have accepted their nominations with no further
qualification, and flameeyes seems to think himself above having to
justify why he should be elected, so I provide, for your
entertainment, the following blog posts:

Gentoo Council Attendance: An attempt to analyze council attendance
over the last eight months.
http://arbearohooooen.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/gentoo-council-attendance/

A Council of Successes: An attempt to analyze what the incumbent
council have achieved during their tenure.
http://arbearohooooen.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/a-council-of-successes/



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Samuli Suominen]

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:48:03 +0100
"Richard Brown" <rbrown@exherbo.org> kirjoitti:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Josh Saddler <nightmorph@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> > Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will
> >> be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> >
> > Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current
> > council members (again):
> 
> This was the first of many nominations for the incumbent council that
> gave no reason as to why they should be voted for in this election, as
> several of them have accepted their nominations with no further
> qualification, and flameeyes seems to think himself above having to
> justify why he should be elected, so I provide, for your
> entertainment, the following blog posts:

That's right. When a developer has certain amount of technical
and /non-trivial/ commits to the tree why should he explain himself
over and over again?

Please, don't waste time of developers on nonsense politics.

Thanks, Samuli
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Richard Brown]

2008/6/6 Samuli Suominen <drac@gentoo.org>:
> Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:48:03 +0100
> "Richard Brown" <rbrown@exherbo.org> kirjoitti:
> That's right. When a developer has certain amount of technical
> and /non-trivial/ commits to the tree why should he explain himself
> over and over again?

I'm sorry, it's my mistake. I thought we were discussing who would be
suitable to be elected to the council on the basis of merit, not on
who can commit the most.

> Please, don't waste time of developers on nonsense politics.

Please, don't conflate cia stats with the the qualities that should be
a prerequisite of council membership.

With each of the people who has previously served on the council, you
need to examine what that person achieved within the council. Does it
really matter what the person did outside of their council work, since
they could have done that without being on the council?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Donnie Berkholz]

On 02:35 Thu 05 Jun     , Josh Saddler wrote:
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council 
> members (again):

> dberkholz

Yes. I'd like to continue trying to make the council more effective.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 02:35:16AM -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
> Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council 
> members (again):
>
> amne

Thanks, but not this time.

cheers,
	Wernfried

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2008.06.05 01:00, Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).

Team,

I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept 
council nominations.

1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider 
it broken)

2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending 
appeals what policy do you propose ?

3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for 
the extra work?

4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make 
Gentoo better?
Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work 
together in too. 
Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee.

5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can 
bring to the council?

6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to 
Gentoo in the last year.

Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto 
addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the 
electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/
interest to undertake the duties of a council member. 

I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on 
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-
nominees.xml


- -- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon) a member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
treecleaners
trustees

For the avoidance of doubt, I write as an individual developer and not 
on behalf of any project I may be a member of.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> writes:

> 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider 
> it broken)

Need to address better when a meeting is considered official (right now
it's not addressed at all, so anything is better), for the rest is fine
as it is.

> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending 
> appeals what policy do you propose ?

Council handles appeals, there's no conflict of interests: who gets
voted in is already known to not be entirely impartial and/or being in
charge of other decsion-making teams.

> 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make 
> Gentoo better?
> Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work 
> together in too. 
> Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee.

Staying independent one of the other, with no hierarchical relationship
one way or the other.

> 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can 
> bring to the council?

If you know me you know what I do, if you don't, I suggest just looking
at my blog (http://blog.flameeyes.eu/) there it's all you have to know,
and probably something you don't care about.

> 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to 
> Gentoo in the last year.

Last year? Being a council member already, I'd say.

> Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto 
> addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the 
> electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/
> interest to undertake the duties of a council member. 

You might want to revisit your ideas, unless you expect next council
elections to require primaries first. I sincerely don't want to spend
time to rewrite this as a "manifesto" because it makes really not much
sense. I don't take an opinion _just_ for the election, my opinions are
open to anybody to see. And I did have time and interest in stayin in
the council for two terms already.

With all sincerity, your "threat" makes me want to puke: if we're being
forced to write manifestos, I might just as well reject my nomination,
as I find that just useless bureaucracy.

And no I won't be wearing a Gentoo logo pin on my lapel.

-- 
Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:54:23 +0200
flameeyes@gmail.com (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote:
> > 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made
> > to Gentoo in the last year.
> 
> Last year? Being a council member already, I'd say.

What did you achieve as a council member?

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[Doug Goldstein]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:54:23 +0200
> flameeyes@gmail.com (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote:
>   
>>> 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made
>>> to Gentoo in the last year.
>>>       
>> Last year? Being a council member already, I'd say.
>>     
>
> What did you achieve as a council member?
>
>   
Please take this off list. This is by no means technical or has any 
application to the nomination process.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Luca Barbato]

Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2008.06.05 01:00, Aukasz Damentko wrote:
>> Hi guys,
> 
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
> Team,
> 
> I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept 
> council nominations.
> 
> 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider 
> it broken)

Alone you cannot do anything. Still I found that there are some parts 
unspecified like how many meetings and how a meeting has to be announced 
to be considered official that should be clarified.

> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending 
> appeals what policy do you propose ?

No changes are required in my opinion.

> 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make 
> Gentoo better?

Trustees manage a local entity located in the USA, the council should 
manage Gentoo as whole. Can they work together to improve Gentoo? Well 
EVERY developer and to a minor degree every member of the Gentoo 
community should work together to improve Gentoo, usually do what's 
within their role. The foundation has to make sure our intellectual 
property won't get abused in the USA, has to defend our trademark and 
cope with the bureaucracy related. The Council has to forster activities 
within Gentoo, to solve deadlocks in discussions by having the last say.

My old manifesto is still valid =)

lu

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:33:34 +0100
Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> On 2008.06.05 01:00, Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> > open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
> Team,
> 
> I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept 
> council nominations.
> 
> 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider 
> it broken)
> 
Mostly it's not broken.  However, I think the intent of the rule
"If any meeting has less than 50% attendance by council members,..."
is to prevent the council from meeting without a quorum.  If at a
meeting they don't have a quorum and thus don't meet, I'd consider that
to be a non-meeting and treat those who did not make it just as "absent"
under normal meeting rules.

> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending 
> appeals what policy do you propose ?
>
Any developer making an appeal would explain why the appeal should be
successful using any information he chooses, then Council would decide
(deny, grant on the merits, grant on procedural grounds, whatever).
I'd also add two new requirements:
1.  Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days;
2.  Any Council member who is on record as to the merits of the action
being appealed could not take part in the appeal process unless the
developer making the appeal allows it.  Probably  this would mean a
discussion between that developer and the Council.
Of course Council members have opinions of devrel actions, but I think
it creates a potential conflict of interest if they broadcast them.
> 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for 
> the extra work?

I already have the time, really.  Although I am a member of several
projects in Gentoo, right now only Trustees require much time.

> 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make 
> Gentoo better?
> Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work 
> together in too. 
> Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee.
>

I'm already a trustee, so having a council member who is a trustee is
a start.
Trustees and Council together are responsible for the smooth working
of Gentoo, but with largely complementary areas of authority.  So I
think the two groups should begin by looking for places they both can
usefully contribute and work to put cooperation there in place (Code
of Conduct comes to mind because it applies to the entire community
but Council is pretty much limited to developers).  Then set out to
put such cooperation in place.
There's a lot of hand-waving in that statement because I don't have
any specific mechanism for carrying it out in mind.
Another idea is to sit down and look at just what Gentoo's business
model is.  We know there is one because the Foundation owns things
like trademarks or funds (as it must because you have to have some
sort of legal entity in place to do that).  But the Foundation is not
much involved directly in performing technical guidance, say (although
I can think of cases where it might be). I personally think it makes
sense to look at bringing the two closer together to look more like a
traditional business (although this is perhaps a minority view).  For
our continued health I think we have to work toward this goal.
> 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can 
> bring to the council?
> 
I've been around for a long time in the business world as a developer,
manager, and lawyer. (I might actually be Gentoo's oldest
developer.)
I've been a Gentoo developer for a bit more than 4 years. In
Gentoo I'm sparc (architecture) lead, a trustee, and a member of devrel
and userrel.  I am no longer all that strong technically, but
I think I have a pretty good feel for how the software development
process works.  And both within Gentoo and in the real world I have
spent a lot of time working with people in areas like mediation or
management.  So I guess I'd say I'm a "people oriented" person with a
reasonable understanding of the development process, but certainly not
Gentoo's strongest technical person. 
> 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to 
> Gentoo in the last year.
> 
I am happiest with my part in making the Foundation legal
again.  I was elected sparc lead and elected to the trustees, but I
hardly view those as contributions.
> Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto 
> addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the 
> electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/
> interest to undertake the duties of a council member. 
> 
> I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on 
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-
> nominees.xml
> 
> 
I'll provide a link in the next week or so.  Most likely to a link to a
text file in d.g.o/~fmccor/
> - -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Roy Bamford
> (NeddySeagoon) a member of
> gentoo-ops
> forum-mods
> treecleaners
> trustees
> 
> For the avoidance of doubt, I write as an individual developer and not 
> on behalf of any project I may be a member of.
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Hope this helps,
Regards,
Ferris

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Duncan]

Ferris McCormick <fmccor@gentoo.org> posted
20080606013721.06a5c36f@anaconda.krait.us, excerpted below, on  Fri, 06
Jun 2008 01:37:21 +0000:

>> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending
>> appeals what policy do you propose ?

> I'd also add two new requirements:
> 1.  Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days;

Not to seem disrespectful, but "Or what?"

Seriously, "or the appeal automatically succeeds."?  Or, "or the appeal 
automatically fails."?  Does it matter what the appeal is (the scope of 
the question wasn't limited to the current situation, so the answer must 
apply in broad scope as well)?

I'd urge being careful here, because it a similar failure to spell out 
the details that triggered what amounted to a bit of a constitutional 
crisis, tho the worst now seems past, I believe with the correct decision 
being made.  (My thanks to all involved.)

So the "or what" matters, as does the scope, which is why I'm asking 
about it.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:28 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Ferris McCormick <fmccor@gentoo.org> posted
> 20080606013721.06a5c36f@anaconda.krait.us, excerpted below, on  Fri, 06
> Jun 2008 01:37:21 +0000:
> 
> >> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending
> >> appeals what policy do you propose ?
> 
> > I'd also add two new requirements:
> > 1.  Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days;
> 
> Not to seem disrespectful, but "Or what?"

Or it succeeds.  Council may not pocket veto an appeal.

> 
> Seriously, "or the appeal automatically succeeds."?  Or, "or the appeal 
> automatically fails."?  Does it matter what the appeal is (the scope of 
> the question wasn't limited to the current situation, so the answer must 
> apply in broad scope as well)?
> 
Any appeal.
> I'd urge being careful here, because it a similar failure to spell out 
> the details that triggered what amounted to a bit of a constitutional 
> crisis, tho the worst now seems past, I believe with the correct decision 
> being made.  (My thanks to all involved.)
> 
> So the "or what" matters, as does the scope, which is why I'm asking 
> about it.
> 
> -- 
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
Regards,
Ferris
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After having written this, I realized I might be telegraphing a bit too
much in places.  So take the amplifications for what they are worth.
They are more "lawyer like" than my original response, but I don't see
how to put them into a manifesto.


On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 01:37 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote:
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> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:33:34 +0100
> Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> > On 2008.06.05 01:00, Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> > > Hi guys,
> > > 
> > > Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> > > open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> > 
> > Team,
> > 
> > I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> > I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept 
> > council nominations.
> > 
> > 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider 
> > it broken)
> > 
> Mostly it's not broken.  However, I think the intent of the rule
> "If any meeting has less than 50% attendance by council members,..."
> is to prevent the council from meeting without a quorum.  If at a
> meeting they don't have a quorum and thus don't meet, I'd consider that
> to be a non-meeting and treat those who did not make it just as "absent"
> under normal meeting rules.
> 
And the bit about hearing appeals assumes that devrel initiated the
disciplinary action being appealed.  I'd make it explicit that Council
is not itself a disciplinary body --- resolving conflicts is what devrel
is for among other things.

> > 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending 
> > appeals what policy do you propose ?
> >
> Any developer making an appeal would explain why the appeal should be
> successful using any information he chooses, then Council would decide
> (deny, grant on the merits, grant on procedural grounds, whatever).
> I'd also add two new requirements:
> 1.  Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days;
> 2.  Any Council member who is on record as to the merits of the action
> being appealed could not take part in the appeal process unless the
> developer making the appeal allows it.  Probably  this would mean a
> discussion between that developer and the Council.
> Of course Council members have opinions of devrel actions, but I think
> it creates a potential conflict of interest if they broadcast them.

Plus a few more:
3.  When I say "explains" I mean publicly on IRC;
4.  And the explanation is a dialogue --- people may ask questions of
each other, request further information, and so on.
5.  Procedural grounds refers to failure to follow procedure, not
letting the developer appealing know what he's done to merit the
discipline, not giving the developer an opportunity to respond, and such
like.
6.  I don't see much merit in giving devrel a role in the appeal.
Whatever they have done should already have been documented.  However in
any specific appeal, Council should have the option to involve devrel.

> > 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for 
> > the extra work?
> 
> I already have the time, really.  Although I am a member of several
> projects in Gentoo, right now only Trustees require much time.
> 
> > 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make 
> > Gentoo better?
> > Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work 
> > together in too. 
> > Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee.
> >
> 
> I'm already a trustee, so having a council member who is a trustee is
> a start.
> Trustees and Council together are responsible for the smooth working
> of Gentoo, but with largely complementary areas of authority.  So I
> think the two groups should begin by looking for places they both can
> usefully contribute and work to put cooperation there in place (Code
> of Conduct comes to mind because it applies to the entire community
> but Council is pretty much limited to developers).  Then set out to
> put such cooperation in place.
> There's a lot of hand-waving in that statement because I don't have
> any specific mechanism for carrying it out in mind.
> Another idea is to sit down and look at just what Gentoo's business
> model is.  We know there is one because the Foundation owns things
> like trademarks or funds (as it must because you have to have some
> sort of legal entity in place to do that).  But the Foundation is not
> much involved directly in performing technical guidance, say (although
> I can think of cases where it might be). I personally think it makes
> sense to look at bringing the two closer together to look more like a
> traditional business (although this is perhaps a minority view).  For
> our continued health I think we have to work toward this goal.

This is badly stated.  Perhaps it would help if I mentioned that in my
view, Gentoo exists for its community, not just for the developers.

> > 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can 
> > bring to the council?
> > 
> I've been around for a long time in the business world as a developer,
> manager, and lawyer. (I might actually be Gentoo's oldest
> developer.)
> I've been a Gentoo developer for a bit more than 4 years. In
> Gentoo I'm sparc (architecture) lead, a trustee, and a member of devrel
> and userrel.  I am no longer all that strong technically, but
> I think I have a pretty good feel for how the software development
> process works.  And both within Gentoo and in the real world I have
> spent a lot of time working with people in areas like mediation or
> management.  So I guess I'd say I'm a "people oriented" person with a
> reasonable understanding of the development process, but certainly not
> Gentoo's strongest technical person. 
> > 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to 
> > Gentoo in the last year.
> > 
> I am happiest with my part in making the Foundation legal
> again.  I was elected sparc lead and elected to the trustees, but I
> hardly view those as contributions.
> > Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto 
> > addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the 
> > electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/
> > interest to undertake the duties of a council member. 
> > 
> > I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on 
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-
> > nominees.xml
> > 
> > 
> I'll provide a link in the next week or so.  Most likely to a link to a
> text file in d.g.o/~fmccor/
> > - -- 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Roy Bamford
> > (NeddySeagoon) a member of
> > gentoo-ops
> > forum-mods
> > treecleaners
> > trustees
> > 
> > For the avoidance of doubt, I write as an individual developer and not 
> > on behalf of any project I may be a member of.
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> Hope this helps,
> Regards,
> Ferris
> 
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Sorry for the double response,
Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Tiziano Müller]

Roy Bamford wrote:

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> On 2008.06.05 01:00, ?ukasz Damentko wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
> Team,
> 
> I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept
> council nominations.
> 
> 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider
> it broken)

a) A GLEP 39 is a "proposal" to do/implement something and should not be
used as a way to finally document something. So, if we want to fix it, we
should write down a new GLEP replacing GLEP 39 and then write that
information down where it belongs to: in proj/en/council (and/or the
developer handbook)

b) Reading GLEP 1 you'll see that there are only two types of
GLEPs: "Standards Track" and "Informational". One is for technical stuff
and the other for organizational, but: "Informational GLEPs do not
necessarily represent a Gentoo Linux community
consensus or recommendation, so users and implementors are free to ignore
Informational GLEPs or follow their advice."

So we either have to stop using GLEPs for such kind of "rules/definitions"
OR redefine how GLEPs should be used properly for changing organizational
processes.

We should finally stop doing cosmetic changes or we will forever struggle
with outside people who know our rules better than we and as a result waste
our time and energy and block our processes.

Cheers,
Tiziano


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:45:53 +0200
Tiziano Müller <dev-zero@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Roy Bamford wrote:
> 
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> > On 2008.06.05 01:00, ?ukasz Damentko wrote:
> >> Hi guys,
> >> 
> >> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> >> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> > 
> > Team,
> > 
> > I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> > I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept
> > council nominations.
> > 
> > 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider
> > it broken)
> 
> a) A GLEP 39 is a "proposal" to do/implement something and should not be
> used as a way to finally document something. So, if we want to fix it, we
> should write down a new GLEP replacing GLEP 39 and then write that
> information down where it belongs to: in proj/en/council (and/or the
> developer handbook)
> 
> b) Reading GLEP 1 you'll see that there are only two types of
> GLEPs: "Standards Track" and "Informational". One is for technical stuff
> and the other for organizational, but: "Informational GLEPs do not
> necessarily represent a Gentoo Linux community
> consensus or recommendation, so users and implementors are free to ignore
> Informational GLEPs or follow their advice."
> 
> So we either have to stop using GLEPs for such kind of "rules/definitions"
> OR redefine how GLEPs should be used properly for changing organizational
> processes.
> 
> We should finally stop doing cosmetic changes or we will forever struggle
> with outside people who know our rules better than we and as a result waste
> our time and energy and block our processes.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tiziano
> 

GLEP 39 is informational in that it describes council+policy.  The
actual policy was established in 2005 in a vote by the developer
community.  Thus, changes to the GLEP should be only to clarify actual
policy (and I don't know where it is written down.  I remember the
vote, but don't know who controls the actual policy document).  I
believe that policy changes would require another vote;  GLEP 39
changes should not change policy.  At least, that is my recollection and
understanding.
> 
> -- 
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> 

Regards,
Ferris
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Tiziano Müller]

Roy Bamford wrote:

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> On 2008.06.05 01:00, ?ukasz Damentko wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
> Team,
> 
> I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept
> council nominations.
> 
> 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider
> it broken)
A GLEP should not be used directly to document our processes. We should
rather have policy files and GLEPs should be used to make changes to those.
After having written the policy file we can talk about fixing the things in
there.

> 
> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending
> appeals what policy do you propose ?
> 
> 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for
> the extra work?
I have enough spare time for the countil. If not I'll step down as a
python-team member.

> 
> 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make
> Gentoo better?
> Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work
> together in too.
> Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee.
I think we should write a policy because I still don't understand where
the "trustee-domain" starts and where it does intersect with
the "council-domain".

> 
> 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can
> bring to the council?
Currently I'm studing physics at the University of Zurich, besides that I
work as a CIO in a small company (~30 people). Before that I was lead of
the C++ programming team in the same company for a year and I did a larger
database project at the University.
During my high school I was president of the students organisation for one
and a half year and Co-Administrator of the IT-Team.


> 
> 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to
> Gentoo in the last year.
The organization of the Gentoo booths at the OpenExpo Zurich and Bern.
The transition to the new slotted PostgreSQL ebuilds.

> 
> Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto
> addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the
> electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/
> interest to undertake the duties of a council member.
> 
> I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-
> nominees.xml

Stay tuned :-)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Donnie Berkholz]

On 19:33 Thu 05 Jun     , Roy Bamford wrote:
> I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already.
> I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept 
> council nominations.

I just got to this because I was on vacation and I've been busy getting 
work done since I got back.

> 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider 
> it broken)

I think Rich Freeman made a good point -- having attendance requirements 
without requirements about method of notification is a problem.

> 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending 
> appeals what policy do you propose ?

The one I already did propose and the council approved.

> 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for 
> the extra work?

N/A -- although I will say that creating the agenda (with the included 
research) and chairing meetings is significantly more work than being 
any other council member at this point in time.

> 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make 
> Gentoo better? Not just the code base but the cooperative environment 
> we all work together in too. Disclosure - I have a personal interest 
> in responses as a trustee.
> 
> 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can 
> bring to the council?

- I stay calm under fire.

- I've got extensive training in problem solving and logical thought, 
from programming to journalism to my in-progress biochemistry Ph.D.

- "Strong opinions, weakly held." - A borrowed description I really like

- I write clearly and concisely.

- I recently had my 5-year anniversary as a Gentoo developer, and I'm 
among the most active devs.

> 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to 
> Gentoo in the last year.

If your X is still running, you already know. =)

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Vlastimil Babka]

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Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).

I'd like to nominate:

armin76 (Raúl Porcel)
opfer (Christian Faulhammer)
zmedico (Zac Medico)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Raúl Porcel]

Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> 
> I'd like to nominate:
> 
> armin76 (Raúl Porcel)
> 

And i reject :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Joe Peterson]

Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> I'd like to nominate:
> 
> zmedico (Zac Medico)

Seconded.

	-Joe
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Mark Loeser]

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I nominate:

dev-zero
dirtyepic
zmedico

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Thursday 05 June 2008 02:00:21 Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).

I would like to nominate Piotr Jaroszyński (peper).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Piotr Jaroszyński]

2008/6/8 Bo Ørsted Andresen <zlin@gentoo.org>:
- Show quoted text -
> On Thursday 05 June 2008 02:00:21 Łukasz Damentko wrote:
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
>> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
>
> I would like to nominate Piotr Jaroszyński (peper).

Thanks, I accept.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Panagiotis Christopoulos]

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On 02:00 Thu 05 Jun     , Łukasz Damentko wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
> 
I want to nominate:

1. Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
2. Ulrich Müller (ulm)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Marijn Schouten (hkBst)]

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| On 02:00 Thu 05 Jun     , Łukasz Damentko wrote:
|> Hi guys,
|>
|> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
|> open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
|>
| I want to nominate:
|
| 1. Marijn Schouten (hkBst)

I accept.

| 2. Ulrich Müller (ulm)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

[Ulrich Mueller]

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>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote:

> I want to nominate:

> 1. Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
> 2. Ulrich Müller (ulm)

I accept.

Ulrich

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