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certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: whissi) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89AC934D7F3 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 20:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] unsanctioned python 2.7 crusade To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <51dddccd576fb1203457a09f305bac5a48eaae6c.camel@gentoo.org> From: Thomas Deutschmann Autocrypt: addr=whissi@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFc4iggBEACg/drq2pkXyE0mO7cqfaH5UX9D2A8uaBWHcgVPZdf+bVlc7gT1b/TJgFBO yCecB1j9ReWWAE55nwraFL7+5XofRnwVzC3PglN/M/F02fudCeEkFfDtH65DZ67LV0QqXOZ7 e2aqD1NxJM1ydcehIoxgESiv8ctMCcb5Jui2A7vddxEBouQqJKDVqXqANEiBrtd0x4+noRC3 07BN80SgUiwuSJp8Y9+LSdKWGxiDxFAQygDlLWu1QIOg2PUjrM1ZtKCii8IcbnhsEPZj0jcQ f/omIHaksyfMdx6lHfSUZzzLQm41nhWlgYUxzW4D8Nh+ka51FIIWRWwNJTXQNpU8s32AT+rr K2hyNY0F+hnCRc0gUJtAACPZYNYNMlTCIb5yLKo5qoRKcHkAI3vAPEsPO8nmpYaxhI+9PwWJ 9BMaOZ0PjN5P5p0ierOd3yjuu0CIx+yirAvZMZYLx3HylFmuIke5GfcfzTuZhgRL1yoaftCH B0zTc1Rmfgk5dLOPeApgH4E8k3K7OIagzpMXjPsyvdBdI2z/j8unZNvPT5uMCAA9yP7TxijH 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boundary="pjGOzLw87RytGv260T2hridyRu4vUMDkN" X-Archives-Salt: 54a87ffe-a095-4d10-b39d-4aaceded507d X-Archives-Hash: 4e178819c49ccd3b6eeffc9060e0a94c This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pjGOzLw87RytGv260T2hridyRu4vUMDkN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PMKytACHfii6k7NTTUk0gZitmKdQvEQ29" --PMKytACHfii6k7NTTUk0gZitmKdQvEQ29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-12-05 21:31, David Seifert wrote: >> On another topic, I'd prefer for python 2.7 not to be removed from >> gentoo. Tons of code still uses it. >> > Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on this. >=20 > We're removing Java too from Gentoo (more implicitly than explicitly), > because the Maven/Gradle ecosystem doesn't seem to scale. There's tons > of code that uses java and java binaries too, and yet we're removing > it. Python 2 is EOL in a few weeks. We have also removed Qt4 and lost a= > number of useful applications with it. At some point, we're not going > to maintain a dead interpreter anymore. For the records: Nobody in this discussion or IRC chat said > Keep Python 2 forever. It's about timing. From my POV and I read > Tons of code still uses it. ^^^^^ the same, there is no need to mask any Python 2 stuff _today_. Especially when new Python project lead sent a mail [1] to this list few weeks ago stating that there will be a _new_ last Python 2 release in April 2020 (120 days away!). Now please explain to me and any Gentoo user depending on Py2-only software why you are taking actions 120(!) days in advance. Again, nobody wants to keep Python 2 forever but starting to kill *working* software 120 days in *advance* deserves at least an honest justification. PS: And given that a release in April won't break the next day, we are actually talking about more than 120 days in advance. Security argument is not valid because if there will be any serious vulnerability in Py2 found after this release (which will be surprising after so many years) you can expect backports because other distributions still have to support Py2 two more years at minimum. 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