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From: Oskari Pirhonen <xxc3ncoredxx@gmail.com>
To: "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 00:53:47 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZegS-2AF-469KWES@dj3ntoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <robbat2-20240305T050858-871585605Z@orbis-terrarum.net>

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On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 06:12:06 +0000, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> At the top, I noted that it will be possible in future for AI generation
> to be used in a good, safe way, and we should provide some signals to
> the researchers behind the AI industry on this matter.
> 
> What should it have?
> - The output has correct license & copyright attributions for portions that are copyrightable.
> - The output explicitly disclaims copyright for uncopyrightable portions
>   (yes, this is a higher bar than we set for humans today).
> - The output is provably correct (QA checks, actually running tests etc)
> - The output is free of non-functional/nonsense garbage.
> - The output is free of hallucinations (aka don't invent dependencies that don't exist).
> 
> Can you please contribute other requirements that you feel "good" AI output should have?
> 

- The output is not overly clever even if correct.

It should resemble something a reasonable human might write. For
example, some contrived sequence of Bash parameter expansions vs using
sed.

- The output is succinct enough.

This continues the "reasonable human" theme from above. For example, it
should not first increment some value by 4, then 3, then 2, and finaly 1
when incrementing by 10 right off the bat makes more sense.

- The output domain is able to be restricted in some form.

Given a problem, some things are simply outside of the space of valid
answers. For example,

    sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /

should not be a line that can be generated in the context of ebuilds.

- Simply enumerating restrictions should be considered intractable.

While it may be trivial to create a list of forbidden words in the
context of a basic family-friendly environment, how can you effectively
guard against forbidden constructs when you might not know them all
beforehand? For example, how do you define what constitutes "malicious
output"?

- Oskari

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-06  6:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-27 14:45 [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo Michał Górny
2024-02-27 15:10 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-02-27 15:21 ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-02-27 15:31   ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2024-02-27 16:11 ` Marek Szuba
2024-02-27 16:29   ` Sam James
2024-02-27 16:48 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2024-02-27 17:02 ` Ionen Wolkens
2024-02-27 17:41 ` Rich Freeman
2024-02-27 18:07   ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-02-27 18:27     ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-02-27 17:46 ` Matthias Maier
2024-02-27 17:50 ` Roy Bamford
2024-02-27 18:40   ` Peter Böhm
2024-02-27 18:04 ` Sam James
2024-03-09 14:57   ` Michał Górny
2024-02-27 19:17 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-02-28  3:05 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2024-02-28  3:12   ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 10:08     ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-02-28 11:06       ` Matt Jolly
2024-02-28 20:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-01  7:06         ` Sam James
2024-03-09 15:00           ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 13:09       ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 10:34 ` David Seifert
2024-02-28 18:50 ` Arthur Zamarin
2024-02-28 19:26   ` Rich Freeman
2024-03-01  6:33 ` Zoltan Puskas
2024-03-05  6:12 ` Robin H. Johnson
2024-03-06  6:53   ` Oskari Pirhonen [this message]
2024-03-08  3:59   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-03-09 15:04     ` Michał Górny
2024-03-09 21:13       ` Duncan
2024-03-10  1:53         ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-06 13:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " martin-kokos
2024-03-08  7:09 ` Fco. Javier Felix Belmonte
2024-03-21 15:25 ` Michał Górny
2024-04-15 19:50   ` Jérôme Carretero

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