From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FCDB15815E for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2EA0E2A8B; Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asona.a21an.org (asona.a21an.org [109.74.200.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68BC4E2A41 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asona.a21an.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TXkwC0wXYz2qjn for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:53:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at a21an.org Received: from asona.a21an.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (asona.a21an.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id K70yjBFzpz3Y for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rog.a21an.org (p200300f1c70e8f48b110259e71bc9403.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:f1:c70e:8f48:b110:259e:71bc:9403]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by asona.a21an.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TXkwB3GVGz2qjX for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2024 11:53:18 +0100 From: Eray Aslan To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Setting default HOME_MODE in /etc/login.defs Message-ID: References: <871q9jqphy.fsf@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871q9jqphy.fsf@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.12 (2023-09-09) X-Archives-Salt: 651c6fe7-5d4d-4228-af35-0559a945a48e X-Archives-Hash: 0fdaab53f1ab3b6c78a22a410fda2c5a On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 10:10:13AM +0000, Sam James wrote: > I'm in favour, although I'd be curious as to why upstream shadow don't > just set it. It would be interesting to see if the discussion already > happened there at some point (surely it has?) and find out their > reasoning. (But that's not a blocker for proceeding.) I believe it is for historical reasons. Computer networks and terminals used to be much friendlier places. > I want to hear more opinions first though. Thanks for raising this, > it's been in the back of my head. Even though I do not really care either way, what problem exactly are we trying to solve? Better security is just too vague an argument. I can see the argument if we were selling to business (*cough*red hat*cough*) but on the other hand, an argument can also be made for keeping to the roots of computer networks and their naivete (keep information free and all that stuff). In this regard, it is telling that only debian and gentoo keep 022. Consider taking it upstream as someone else (ulm?) already mentioned in the discussion. Thanks -- Eray