[gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[William Hubbs]

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All,

I have been helping lately with the maintenance of openrc/baselayout-2.

I was just asked today on IRC about posting stabilization plans to the
list.

I don't have a stabilization plan, so, what I am going to do is post a
question to the list.

What still needs to be done before we can talk about stabilizing
openrc/baselayout-2?  I haven't seen a todo list posted anywhere, and
there are several bugs out there related to openrc.

This is not an attempt to rush the stabilization, I just want to find
out what still needs to be done.

Please add your comments to this thread so I can put together a todo
list.

Thanks,

-- 
William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
williamh@gentoo.org

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Jeremy Olexa]

William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
> 
> I have been helping lately with the maintenance of openrc/baselayout-2.
> 
> I was just asked today on IRC about posting stabilization plans to the
> list.
> 
> I don't have a stabilization plan, so, what I am going to do is post a
> question to the list.
> 
> What still needs to be done before we can talk about stabilizing
> openrc/baselayout-2?  I haven't seen a todo list posted anywhere, and
> there are several bugs out there related to openrc.
> 
> This is not an attempt to rush the stabilization, I just want to find
> out what still needs to be done.
> 
> Please add your comments to this thread so I can put together a todo
> list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 

A few thoughts:

It makes it hard to triage the openrc bugs when when are on openrc-0.5.3 
and there are openrc-0.2* bugs in the bug tracking system.

The openrc document will need to be combed through, inspected, etc.

A big change, so prepare a news item? I think Fauli already did this 
some time ago.

Can parallel init script startup be made the default yet? I've been 
running with it for months and never noticed a problem..

Thanks,
-Jeremy

RE: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Sylvain Alain]

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Hi everyone,  I think that the best should be to release a migration guide just before the official release and also a news on the first page of Gentoo.org

Sylvain Alain
d2_racing@gentoo.org



> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:05:09 -0600
> From: williamh@gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo
> 
> All,
> 
> I have been helping lately with the maintenance of openrc/baselayout-2.
> 
> I was just asked today on IRC about posting stabilization plans to the
> list.
> 
> I don't have a stabilization plan, so, what I am going to do is post a
> question to the list.
> 
> What still needs to be done before we can talk about stabilizing
> openrc/baselayout-2?  I haven't seen a todo list posted anywhere, and
> there are several bugs out there related to openrc.
> 
> This is not an attempt to rush the stabilization, I just want to find
> out what still needs to be done.
> 
> Please add your comments to this thread so I can put together a todo
> list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> William Hubbs
> gentoo accessibility team lead
> williamh@gentoo.org
 		 	   		  
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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Joshua Saddler]

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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 02:44:47 +0000
Sylvain Alain <d2_racing@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,  I think that the best should be to release a migration guide
> just before the official release and also a news on the first page of
> Gentoo.org

You really should have checked our doc repo before sending your mail:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

I, Cardoe, and Uberlord wrote it back in April 2008[1].

[1] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Rémi Cardona]

Le 03/12/2009 02:22, Jeremy Olexa a écrit :
> Can parallel init script startup be made the default yet? I've been
> running with it for months and never noticed a problem..

I've been running it for more than a year on half a dozen boxes, without 
any issues as well.

+1 for making it the default.

Thanks

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Maciej Mrozowski]

On Thursday 03 of December 2009 15:06:12 Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Le 03/12/2009 02:22, Jeremy Olexa a écrit :
> > Can parallel init script startup be made the default yet? I've been
> > running with it for months and never noticed a problem..
> 
> I've been running it for more than a year on half a dozen boxes, without
> any issues as well.
> 
> +1 for making it the default.

-1 from me (at least with <0.5.3, I'm following openrc Gentoo releases 
closely)
*Very* occasionally, bud deadlocks used to happen here. I'll report it for 
0.5.3 if I run into this again.

-- 
regards
MM

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Christian Bricart]

Joshua Saddler schrieb:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 02:44:47 +0000
> Sylvain Alain <d2_racing@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,  I think that the best should be to release a migration guide
>> just before the official release and also a news on the first page of
>> Gentoo.org
> 
> You really should have checked our doc repo before sending your mail:
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
> 
> I, Cardoe, and Uberlord wrote it back in April 2008[1].
> 
> [1] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

mentioning possible migration issues and pointing at the docs above:

(AFAIK the only) documentation handling networking migration states:

+--
| ...
| Also, /etc/conf.d/net no longer uses bash-style arrays for
| configuration.
| Please review /usr/share/doc/openrc-<version>/net.example
| for configuration instructions. Conversion should be relatively
| straight-forward, for example a static IP assignment would change
| as follows:
| ...
+--
(and no - more complex examples are *not* described
 in /u/s/d/o/net.example as stated..)

Apart from that, the newnet file will be /etc/conf.d/network ..

Regarding USE=-oldnet migrations, that are actually *using* oldnet Bash
arrays within /etc/conf.d/net (like me) are left alone and not even
Funtoo has a porting guide..

my $0.02
  Christian

RE: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Sylvain Alain]

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Hi Christian, the guide back in 2008 and it's ok for the OpenRC stuff, but for the network part.

maybe we could add some examples from this thread : http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-796647-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-openrc-start-0.html

my $0.02
Sylvain



> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:03:52 +0100
> From: christian@bricart.de
> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo
> 
> Joshua Saddler schrieb:
> > On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 02:44:47 +0000
> > Sylvain Alain <d2_racing@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,  I think that the best should be to release a migration guide
> >> just before the official release and also a news on the first page of
> >> Gentoo.org
> > 
> > You really should have checked our doc repo before sending your mail:
> > 
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
> > 
> > I, Cardoe, and Uberlord wrote it back in April 2008[1].
> > 
> > [1] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
> 
> mentioning possible migration issues and pointing at the docs above:
> 
> (AFAIK the only) documentation handling networking migration states:
> 
> +--
> | ...
> | Also, /etc/conf.d/net no longer uses bash-style arrays for
> | configuration.
> | Please review /usr/share/doc/openrc-<version>/net.example
> | for configuration instructions. Conversion should be relatively
> | straight-forward, for example a static IP assignment would change
> | as follows:
> | ...
> +--
> (and no - more complex examples are *not* described
>  in /u/s/d/o/net.example as stated..)
> 
> Apart from that, the newnet file will be /etc/conf.d/network ..
> 
> Regarding USE=-oldnet migrations, that are actually *using* oldnet Bash
> arrays within /etc/conf.d/net (like me) are left alone and not even
> Funtoo has a porting guide..
> 
> my $0.02
>   Christian
> 
> 
> 
 		 	   		  
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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday 02 December 2009 19:05:09 William Hubbs wrote:
> What still needs to be done before we can talk about stabilizing
> openrc/baselayout-2?  I haven't seen a todo list posted anywhere

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_62f9916c9338ddecd4fd2dee96ef8aa3.xml
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_88b77ee4c6f1cd01cff9193eec47a784.xml
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Angelo Arrifano]

On Qui, 2009-12-03 at 15:06 +0100, Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Le 03/12/2009 02:22, Jeremy Olexa a écrit :
> > Can parallel init script startup be made the default yet? I've been
> > running with it for months and never noticed a problem..
> 
> I've been running it for more than a year on half a dozen boxes, without 
> any issues as well.
> 
> +1 for making it the default.
> 
> Thanks
> 

I just migrated my laptop to openrc-0.5.2-r2 along with baselayout-2.0.1
and sysvinit-2.87-r1 .
[as user] Everything went smoothly and without problems. I spotted two
things during boot though:

* Autoloaded 0 module(s)
*   device-mapper uses addon code which is deprecated
*   and may not be available in the future.

and

*   Adding routes
*     127.0.0.0/8 via 127.0.0.1...
* Adding static routes...
SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable

Looking at the routing table we have:

Destination Gateway   Genmask   Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
127.0.0.0   -         255.0.0.0 !     0      -   0   -
127.0.0.0   127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG    0      0   0   lo

Why do we need a reject route for 127.0.0.0? Packets with destination
127.0.0.0 going through interfaces other than lo aren't dropped anyway?
Does the loopback interface need a gateway set?

Regards,
-- 
Angelo Arrifano AKA MiKNiX
Gentoo Embedded/OMAP850 Developer
Linwizard Developer
http://www.gentoo.org/~miknix
http://miknix.homelinux.com

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday 02 December 2009 20:22:07 Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> Can parallel init script startup be made the default yet? I've been
> running with it for months and never noticed a problem..

not for stable.  no point in proactively shooting our conservative users in 
the face.  let's shoot the unstable ricers first.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization todo

[Rémi Cardona]

Le 04/12/2009 11:41, Mike Frysinger a écrit :
> On Wednesday 02 December 2009 20:22:07 Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>> Can parallel init script startup be made the default yet? I've been
>> running with it for months and never noticed a problem..
>
> not for stable.  no point in proactively shooting our conservative users in
> the face.  let's shoot the unstable ricers first.
> -mike

Sounds like a good first step. +1 from me.

Rémi