Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Fri, 14 May 2004, Chris Gianelloni wrote:

> Does the xfree86-4.3.0-r6 ebuild also have the fonts moved to
> /usr/share/fonts like the xorg-x11-6.7.0 does?
>

Yes.
 
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[gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Chris Gianelloni]

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Does the xfree86-4.3.0-r6 ebuild also have the fonts moved to
/usr/share/fonts like the xorg-x11-6.7.0 does?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 08:30, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> > Does the xfree86-4.3.0-r6 ebuild also have the fonts moved to
> > /usr/share/fonts like the xorg-x11-6.7.0 does?
> >
> 
> Yes.

Excellent, so why is it still hard masked exactly?  I haven't been
following the problems with it, so consider me completely uninformed on
the situation.

All I am trying to do is work on a tool or two that I would like to be
usable for both xfree and xorg-x11, but currently, the font path
difference is a major bug/annoyance.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Fri, 14 May 2004, Chris Gianelloni wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 08:30, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> > > Does the xfree86-4.3.0-r6 ebuild also have the fonts moved to
> > > /usr/share/fonts like the xorg-x11-6.7.0 does?
> > >
> > 
> > Yes.
> 
> Excellent, so why is it still hard masked exactly?  I haven't been
> following the problems with it, so consider me completely uninformed on
> the situation.
>
I am guessing here; I don't know why it's hard masked.  I suggest you look
at the ChangeLog and address the question to spyderous.

That said:
I think one of the reasons is the font directory change, but I am not part
of the xfree herd, and I have no direct information.

I can tell you that for sparc, it runs just like xfree-4.3.0-r5, but with
the font move.  I can also tell you that for sparc, you are better off
bypassing 4.3.0-r6, 4.3.xx, and moving directly to xorg-x11.  But I am
not developing tools to run on both.

I don't know what architectures interest you, but sparc is not likely
to be high on your list :) 

(On sparc, I would say "go for it (-r6) if you need to," but I do not 
presume to suggest that is the case for anything else.  I would also
say "don't even think about 4.3.99-xxx, because it likely won't work
the way you want, and you  won't get much sympathy if you complain."  But 
I am speaking for myself here.)
 
> All I am trying to do is work on a tool or two that I would like to be
> usable for both xfree and xorg-x11, but currently, the font path
> difference is a major bug/annoyance.
> 

That I believe.

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> Chris Gianelloni
> Developer, Gentoo Linux
> Games Team
> 
> Is your power animal a penguin?
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Fri, 14 May 2004, Chris Gianelloni wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 09:49, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> > I am guessing here; I don't know why it's hard masked.  I suggest you look
> > at the ChangeLog and address the question to spyderous.
> 
> I don't see much in the ChangeLog to give any hints.  The listing in
> package.mask is:
> # <seemant@gentoo.org> 21 May, 2003
> # Masked while it's still under development.  I need revision control on
> the
> # thing, which is why it's in portage at all.  Do NOT install this.
> # 30 May, 2003 : Seems that xterm is in its own separate package as
> well, so
> # taking that out of -r3.  Added utempter, (dep for xterm to not install
> # suid)
> =x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r6

Those notes are about a year old, and xfree-4.3.0-r6 needs neither a 
separate xterm nor utempter.  On the other hand, xorg-x11 does need those
packages. I think that by xfree-4.3.0-r5, xfree-4.3.0-r5,-r6 are pretty
much the same except for the font paths.  But again, don't take my word
for it. :)

> I guess I would just like to see us using common font locations across
> our 2 major X builds.
>
No one would dispute that.  And so far as I can tell, the way of the
future for this is /usr/share/...

Try lobbying spyderous et. al. to shake loose -r6?  (I expect (or hope) 
that xfree is not much longer with us, but that's because xorg-x11 seems
cleaner on sparc, and that's where I live.)
 
> 
> 
> Actually, I am working with a tool to create working X configurations. 
> Currently, it works with xfree, but not xorg-x11.  To get it to work
> with xorg-x11 (and eventually allow us to transition that way), the
> fonts need to be in the same place.
>

Keep us in mind; I just tried to point someone with the question "what
does an XF86Config for Creator (sparc graphic card) look like?" toward
a working configuration.  With what success I cannot say.
 
> > I don't know what architectures interest you, but sparc is not likely
> > to be high on your list :) 
> 
> I don't know much about it, but I'll be learning much more that I
> started my new position, since we have a decent amount of sparc
> machines.
> 
>

Have fun with them 
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> Chris Gianelloni
> Developer, Gentoo Linux
> Games Team
> 
> Is your power animal a penguin?
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 09:49, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> I am guessing here; I don't know why it's hard masked.  I suggest you look
> at the ChangeLog and address the question to spyderous.

I don't see much in the ChangeLog to give any hints.  The listing in
package.mask is:
# <seemant@gentoo.org> 21 May, 2003
# Masked while it's still under development.  I need revision control on
the
# thing, which is why it's in portage at all.  Do NOT install this.
# 30 May, 2003 : Seems that xterm is in its own separate package as
well, so
# taking that out of -r3.  Added utempter, (dep for xterm to not install
# suid)
=x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r6
media-fonts/chkfontpath

I guess I would just like to see us using common font locations across
our 2 major X builds.


> That said:
> I think one of the reasons is the font directory change, but I am not part
> of the xfree herd, and I have no direct information.
> 
> I can tell you that for sparc, it runs just like xfree-4.3.0-r5, but with
> the font move.  I can also tell you that for sparc, you are better off
> bypassing 4.3.0-r6, 4.3.xx, and moving directly to xorg-x11.  But I am
> not developing tools to run on both.

Actually, I am working with a tool to create working X configurations. 
Currently, it works with xfree, but not xorg-x11.  To get it to work
with xorg-x11 (and eventually allow us to transition that way), the
fonts need to be in the same place.

> I don't know what architectures interest you, but sparc is not likely
> to be high on your list :) 

I don't know much about it, but I'll be learning much more that I
started my new position, since we have a decent amount of sparc
machines.

> (On sparc, I would say "go for it (-r6) if you need to," but I do not 
> presume to suggest that is the case for anything else.  I would also
> say "don't even think about 4.3.99-xxx, because it likely won't work
> the way you want, and you  won't get much sympathy if you complain."  But 
> I am speaking for myself here.)

I don't want 4.3.99.  All I want is for the fonts to be in the same
place on both X servers.  ;]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 11:14, lv@dev.gentoo.org wrote:
> it's masked due to a bug in portage that is apparently not being fixed ("you 
> shouldnt be using that anyway" is the response we got to the bug). if both 
> xorg-x11 and this xfree are unmasked, for some reason an attempt to install 
> one will try to install the other. xorg-x11 is stable on amd64...
> 
> i'm not on the  xfree herd, but i remember this being a PITA on amd64.

I guess this also brings up the question, when is xorg-x11 going to be
stable on each arch and when will it be the default for the virtual?  I
know that we are eventually going that way, which was the reasoning
behind me supporting both.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 14:41, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 11:14, lv@dev.gentoo.org wrote:
> > it's masked due to a bug in portage that is apparently not being fixed ("you 
> > shouldnt be using that anyway" is the response we got to the bug). if both 
> > xorg-x11 and this xfree are unmasked, for some reason an attempt to install 
> > one will try to install the other. xorg-x11 is stable on amd64...
> > 
> > i'm not on the  xfree herd, but i remember this being a PITA on amd64.
> 
> I guess this also brings up the question, when is xorg-x11 going to be
> stable on each arch and when will it be the default for the virtual?  I
> know that we are eventually going that way, which was the reasoning
> behind me supporting both.

Once some pesky xkb problems are tracked down. Maybe a few other things
too like the opengl-update issue I mentioned elsewhere in this thread as
well.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 10:18, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> On Fri, 14 May 2004, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 09:49, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> > > I am guessing here; I don't know why it's hard masked.  I suggest you look
> > > at the ChangeLog and address the question to spyderous.
> > 
> > I don't see much in the ChangeLog to give any hints.  The listing in
> > package.mask is:
> > # <seemant@gentoo.org> 21 May, 2003
> > # Masked while it's still under development.  I need revision control on
> > the
> > # thing, which is why it's in portage at all.  Do NOT install this.
> > # 30 May, 2003 : Seems that xterm is in its own separate package as
> > well, so
> > # taking that out of -r3.  Added utempter, (dep for xterm to not install
> > # suid)
> > =x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r6
> 
> Those notes are about a year old, and xfree-4.3.0-r6 needs neither a 
> separate xterm nor utempter.  

Apparently you haven't emerged it lately. =)

> On the other hand, xorg-x11 does need those
> packages. I think that by xfree-4.3.0-r5, xfree-4.3.0-r5,-r6 are pretty
> much the same except for the font paths.  But again, don't take my word
> for it. :)

There are lots of updates. Check a 13 Apr 2004 changelog entry and
another entry 14 Mar 2004 for some major details.
> 
> > I guess I would just like to see us using common font locations across
> > our 2 major X builds.
> >
> No one would dispute that.  And so far as I can tell, the way of the
> future for this is /usr/share/...
> 
> Try lobbying spyderous et. al. to shake loose -r6?  (I expect (or hope) 
> that xfree is not much longer with us, but that's because xorg-x11 seems
> cleaner on sparc, and that's where I live.)

Basically what's holding it up is a new opengl-update with a
--get-implementation feature and a couple other fixes. I have it written
but I'm adding a couple more little things to it, like fixing libtool
archives that link to /usr/lib/opengl/xfree so xorg-x11/xfree switches
are more seamless.

I'm not really pushing it very hard. I don't even expect all arches to
get it working, since we're moving over toward xorg-x11, which I've been
spending much of my X time working with.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Javier Marcet]

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* Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@gentoo.org> [040515 11:30]:

>> I guess this also brings up the question, when is xorg-x11 going to be
>> stable on each arch and when will it be the default for the virtual?  I
>> know that we are eventually going that way, which was the reasoning
>> behind me supporting both.

>Once some pesky xkb problems are tracked down. Maybe a few other things
>too like the opengl-update issue I mentioned elsewhere in this thread as
>well.

Spyderous, that's easy enough to fix.

I've tried to post it on bugzilla but I cannot access my account since I
don't remember the password I used and all the mails bugzilla @ gentoo.org
are somehow lost in the bitbucket.

BTW, if anyone is willing to help me find the reason, I've posted
a question about it in gentoo-user & gentoo-server 'Mail routing
problems; this has been bugging me for several months and also affects
vger.org and reiserfs list's mail servers).

Anyway, to the raised question, you can read
http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=587

Since the patch is trivial enough I attach it to the message :)

/me would like to contribute & submit bugs/patches again to gentoo
ASAP...


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Javier Marcet <javier@marcet.info>

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--- xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/pc/pc.old	2004-04-19 14:49:33.935285846 +0200
+++ xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/pc/pc	2004-04-19 15:13:04.523298499 +0200
@@ -200,6 +200,7 @@
     include "pc/pc(basic)"
     key <LALT> {	[ 	Alt_L,	Meta_L 		]	};
     key <RALT> {	[	Alt_R,	Meta_R		]	};
+    key <RCTL> {	[   Control_R,	Multi_key       ]       }; 
 
 };
 
@@ -216,8 +217,10 @@
     key <LALT> {	[ 	Alt_L,	Meta_L		]	};
     key <RALT> {	[	Alt_R,	Meta_R		]	};
     key <LWIN> {	[	Super_L			]	};
-    key <RWIN> {	[	Super_R			]	};
+    key <RWIN> {	[	Super_R,  Multi_key     ]       }; 
     key <MENU> {	[	Menu			]	};
+    key <RCTL> {	[     Control_R,  Multi_key     ]       }; 
+    modifier_map Mod4 { Super_L, Super_R }; 
 
 };
 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Question about xfree86-4.3.0-r6

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 06:16, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Basically what's holding it up is a new opengl-update with a
> --get-implementation feature and a couple other fixes. I have it written
> but I'm adding a couple more little things to it, like fixing libtool
> archives that link to /usr/lib/opengl/xfree so xorg-x11/xfree switches
> are more seamless.
> 
> I'm not really pushing it very hard. I don't even expect all arches to
> get it working, since we're moving over toward xorg-x11, which I've been
> spending much of my X time working with.

Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should just stick with
XFree86 until such time that we decide that xorg-x11 will be the
default, then switch the tool.  That really is the simplest choice and
the one I would prefer, since it is less work.  Especially if the -r6
revision of xfree may never make it to stable.

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