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From: "Todd Wright" <wylie@geekasylum.org>
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Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] making %95 of users happy
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:29:52 +1000
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Gaarde wrote:
> Examples:
> Zope still using python 2.1 instead of 2.2...
> xcdroast using an older version of mkisofs...=20
> qt, kde-libs, gnome-libs, etc all using older versions of libpng...
>=20
> To me this is an issue with dependency calculations. Gentoo will =
blindly
> update a package regardless of what other packages depend on it. This
> solution works great for those who want to keep thier systems=20
> bleeding edge.=20
> However, some users are willing to make a sacrifice and go for=20
> less-bleeding
> edge. For those users, before mentioned pattern causes HUGH problems.
>=20
> The fix? In a word, sacrifice. Give the user a choice. Let the=20
> user decide
<snip>
> example: Upgrading to mkisofs 1.15a21 will break xcdroast
>=20
> xcdroast needs mkisofs 1.15a20
> cdrecord needs mkisofs 1.15a21 (it doesn't but this is an example)
This is exactly what I am concerned about, and why I posted about =
"Tagging releases" - and presumably what started the "Gentoo Branches" =
thread. The example may not be good, but the idea holds.
Regardless of if you like branches or not, there needs to be a way to =
lock a collective group of packages at a particular level where they all =
co-exist nicely. This is normally known as a "stable" release. The =
best and worst thing about Gentoo is that it is constantly changing - =
new ebuilds appearing all the time. I emerge rsync to update my portage =
tree in the hope of finding a fix to a broken ebuild that I want, and =
suddenly Im faced with new versions of things I already nailed down.
Using the =3Dcategory/package parameters isnt good enough. Often 2 =
versions of a library wont co-exist (out of the box) - one may overwrite =
another, but a new ebuild for package x might require the new library, =
while another package requires the old.
Someone in the development team needs to seriously think about this =
problem.
And to the person (Andrew I think) who quoted the following from the =
gentoo site as a reason for not having release branches...
"*Portage allows you to set up Gentoo Linux the way you like it*..."
It doesnt. Just when I get it how I like it, it changes.
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