From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from acme.geekasylum.org (acme.geekasylum.org [203.30.145.10]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4462CAC8E5 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:26:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buffy (buffy.geekasylum.org [203.30.145.20]) by acme.geekasylum.org (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id g3H3QIs03129 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:26:19 +1000 From: "Todd Wright" To: Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] Larry the Cow Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:26:18 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 6a754daa-0c7a-4362-9188-1f02d415a9cb X-Archives-Hash: 85d4f0066020bcf33b482e36246c72e1 Dave Lee Wrote: > Alastair Nicol wrote: > > > > > > BUT, cast dispersions on Larry the Cow's sexuality,=20 > > > > > nothing wrong with a little fun...... > >=20 > > and IMHO the amount of work Daniel churns out he might be a little = busy! > >=20 > > total respect to Daniel.=20 > >=20 > > (and i dont know the guy) >=20 > I dont know Daniel or Todd but I think the statement wasn't meant to = knock > anybody, I believe it was meant to bring out into the open a = discussion > of some of the problems gentoo is facing as it grows (in userbase and > developers). I think we all want the same thing, a stable gentoo with = a > strong base for continued growth. Yes. This is what I intended. Im not knocking Daniel personally. I agree = with Alastair - Daniel has done a marvelous job in concieving and = bringing Gentoo to the point it is today. From what I have read he does = seem to be very busy. With Gentoo constantly changing (also understandable given its recent = release) it is difficult to nail anything down. Things such as virtuals = are not documented, and many of the ebuilds depend on them. I had to = figure out the broken "virtual" stuff in the old (now fixed) php 4.1.2 = ebuilds (pre -r7). I also had to figure out how to get squirrelmail to = not want to install courier-imap given that uw-imap was already = installed (this was due uw-imap having previously set virtual/imapUW = instead of virtual/imapd). As an end user, (despite my experience with Linux) I should not have to = fix the internal workings on my own - especially for such a major = problem (Im sure im not the only one who uses php), yet I got no = response from anyone in the development team when I sought help. (other = than a prior bug report from Jared, and his obvious work behind the = scenes on the php ebuild) Yes, I know they're all busy, but when you = need help with something that other end users (ie, the user mailing = list) are not knoweledgable on, then you mail the developers. I am concerned about the future of Gentoo Linux, especially with the = goings on behind the scenes - Geert's departure from the development = team, and other rumblings I have heard. Gentoo Linux is too good to = lose, and the developers need to show that they are here, ready to = answer the tough questions, and fix major problems. Thankfully at least portage is GPL'ed so if the development team do tear = temselves apart, someone can continue to maintain it, because portage is = the heart of Gentoo Linux. -- _--_|\ --------- Todd Wright -- wylie@geekasylum.org -------- / \ =20 \_.--._* <--- http://www.dreams.darker.net/~wylie/ v Mobile: +61-403-796-001 Ph: +61-2-9521-8677 ----------------------------------------------------------------