From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23514158041 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D5922BC039; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12A052BC013 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:50:15 +0000 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Balsa 2.6.4 Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-1yN2/yC/T/nYrX4X+RpD" X-Archives-Salt: e626093a-2239-49b6-8b11-dc61bad457b8 X-Archives-Hash: 26a3d8e55bd29d7eca0d94af575e6662 --=-1yN2/yC/T/nYrX4X+RpD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2024.02.27 14:45, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to > look into formally addressing the related concerns. In my opinion, > at this point the only reasonable course of action would be to safely > ban "AI"-backed contribution entirely. In other words, explicitly > forbid people from using ChatGPT, Bard, GitHub Copilot, and so on, to > create ebuilds, code, documentation, messages, bug reports and so on > for > use in Gentoo. >=20 > Just to be clear, I'm talking about our "original" content. We can't > do > much about upstream projects using it. >=20 >=20 > Rationale: >=20 > 1. Copyright concerns. At this point, the copyright situation around > generated content is still unclear. What's pretty clear is that > pretty > much all LLMs are trained on huge corpora of copyrighted material, and > all fancy "AI" companies don't give shit about copyright violations. > In particular, there's a good risk that these tools would yield stuff > we > can't legally use. >=20 > 2. Quality concerns. LLMs are really great at generating plausibly > looking bullshit. I suppose they can provide good assistance if you > are > careful enough, but we can't really rely on all our contributors being > aware of the risks. >=20 > 3. Ethical concerns. As pointed out above, the "AI" corporations > don't > give shit about copyright, and don't give shit about people. The AI > bubble is causing huge energy waste. It is giving a great excuse for > layoffs and increasing exploitation of IT workers. It is driving > enshittification of the Internet, it is empowering all kinds of spam > and scam. >=20 >=20 > Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that > worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking. I think > adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be > a good thing =E2=80=94 but we need to have policies in place, to make sur= e > shit > doesn't flow in. >=20 > Compare with the shitstorm at: > https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >=20 >=20 Micha=C5=82, An excellent piece of prose setting out the rationale. I fully support it. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods arm64 --=-1yN2/yC/T/nYrX4X+RpD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEsOrcx0gZrrCMwJzo/xJODTqpeT4FAmXeINcACgkQ/xJODTqp eT7RdAf8Dt0DZ1e7XASNkeNXwitueKnXWydTfRZhNqSgUPa6RMZsAO3zypyMNE9r i1H3/GVoYxQr/Pj/AOTVtxzB8cEbhwtdzvG76W8JRDblrCnGKs5iuY9kjR/CwrK0 +RGQLCGhTaVXtb410epff6DcUjviZ5MUPWoJYhoRoDDJMS9cfmogaShAHALViI94 nrLfA8/bPjUx17Vy4Vc8zK9IQ4vgqR5jejFV5lyEOgh0rVJJJ3FC+/PnLTW8VGkM xsuuGnc5hT2WVz6BmyLXRi3XgvseRkivZPO9L41fVnJmfSCboV5GiMhCi0rV/oLQ s35ZxDKKWUPpbxkwIaABmpvV6DWhwg== =Y9Zh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-1yN2/yC/T/nYrX4X+RpD--