From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0090F012 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:48:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-112umh0.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.90.32] helo=offthehill.org) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1698o2-0007Tf-00 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:47:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 16435 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 17:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (pardsbane@192.168.0.3) by 192.168.0.1 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 17:42:00 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Joshua Pollak Organization: offTheHill To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed Issuetracker via PEST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:47:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1006817973.23206.0.camel@inspiron.theleaf.office> <20011128112828.A16112@atelier.offthehill.net> <20011128110643.00c47c45.jnelson@securepipe.com> In-Reply-To: <20011128110643.00c47c45.jnelson@securepipe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Reply-To: josh@offthehill.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Developer discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 62541b28-64bb-421f-966d-4c9c10a2d6a1 X-Archives-Hash: 63fe0e8d4be62b4547d89215b1207a6e On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:06, you wrote: > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:28:28 -0500 > > Joshua Pollak wrote: > > > > In summary, usability is far and away the most important thing > > > > in a bug tracking/issue tracking system, and a objective analysis > > > > is probably in order. > > > > I agree usability is the most important issue, which is why I thought > > PEST was the best solution of the ones I could find. I had not heard of > > Roundup, gnats, or rt, but I'll check them out. I think Bugzilla and > > Debbugs both have serious usability issues. They are both very confusing > > to use and just plain messy and ugly. > > You've never heard of gnats or rt? Wow. What did you find confusing > about debbugs? Have you ever used it? Did you look at the URL I I dunno why I haven't heard of gnats and rt, perhaps either I've been living under a rock, or I've used them without knowing it. Most bugs I've filed have been with SourceForge projects, Mozilla, and Debian, so those are the systems I'm most familiar with. I have no doubt Debbugs is the most feature full of the systems, and I do like the email interface, however, I find the web interface is complicated and busy, and very hard to do anything with. Systems like Roundup (I just took a look at it) and PEST are (in my opinion) much easier for both novices and experts, mainly because you spend so much less time looking for things. > I still place my votes in (this order): debbugs, roundup. I don't know > PEST and I am not a fan of PHP (I prefer real languages like Python > and C) -- there's more to life than the web, and it would appear that > PEST is web-only. debbugs is mail and web, same as roundup. This is a good argument, and I only chose PEST because I prefer PHP to Perl. However, Python is definately a good language to implement in, and if email and command-line interfaces are desired, I think Roundup is a great solution. Although I do hear PHP has GTK bindings now... ;) So I change my proposal to implement the bug tracker in Roundup, to satisfy the demand for an email interface. -Josh