From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 155231396D9 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62845E0F65; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3E5EE0F5C for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id 128so6902391wmo.3 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:49:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MmBM8lcDAayBjGJFXxmEm5rGhtu4JZ3A6sljLkBW4XI=; b=IoZX4MVbORnU7TM7R2vDrwvKV+ALi9E9spsE8lrIEYibWDVEGIzORa7p93d7x+GpFk rat0GRZXbfqAamhzOwhTB46NuQIxximZIx4A1ooK1lMLsZ8ikiAw5rDWreu6Hem+slUu brg56N4crfYK4JZN28e78b8r45EFRjRtRrvzd9600hIUzJNSxi+dmqagzbl6j/NvD/hk aunaFn1X5IMkn0cZ2MnE3c6AHpLkaIWz4wcN7SnOXy30S2QLTn1KiKvy//vC67pXyjBW 7PcNxZGqEztoUZbEz4oWptaCJ1sWIP7qKreEcFFKabnjzUCL2d4JBspVCHrxfCyZ4W1E GgDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=MmBM8lcDAayBjGJFXxmEm5rGhtu4JZ3A6sljLkBW4XI=; b=CU6iVLOeWGAUQOm5BzjdX9pgDJT/WEhx5IHsJwAtjeay0P5bhIJ5pWGSK7Ym7pwHCg MVT2YEs7P0eqYMbrQ50aqni/Hhh0hX2mZ/Yg4CCpJtowYEfdSgX2yeZW7G+4JiJ68mTo z7kae7l2DhmEUQlqxEeBr4QR3kpzU9w10+Ms3zNStuYne3xctRO9Q6qOshrP7rnDhZgy eZwSK4RiFSwgN8jxWRxArav44yNEKiJCQPtrJWfcC+yzwOzyuYj/i3tRogYGBEClMymK JJrOfyZY76DOJF3fSMsKdT0g4UU9NQkvlFow6JljQ5Zjic7khoNvCe42xsVvRR8ayMj+ +tEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7oenQDtAax+Q+EjcpX+E+U/aqBoQ+O9bzKEg5m6Rk5ZiQowuqu d/o4j9hn15LuBCfrvv5l1FItmwzHA8KnuHdAcg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaHTgzejDQwpoecftO9DpYh32dT2V2E4sYX20SclcVFddjkyrch2qLxxC/w5U+tnOA3BHcMpOX6jS9MHgYFCeg= X-Received: by 10.28.50.70 with SMTP id y67mr2307378wmy.159.1511135350342; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:49:10 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.185.104 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:49:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1511037206.13490.5.camel@gentoo.org> <20171119135020.GG1954@ca.inter.net> <20171119135605.1127c56f@symphony.aura-online.co.uk> <20171119184554.GK1954@ca.inter.net> From: Jules Octave Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: No more stable keywords for Games To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140df26c3c936055e5e9d84" X-Archives-Salt: 9ab95724-2741-4cc9-9b35-004ef7eb8c8d X-Archives-Hash: d127c763a8dbfcc8e3d2b39dbf2f7fe4 --001a1140df26c3c936055e5e9d84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" can't affect me as I am not into games ; but I have tried some on kde , they seems to work fine. 2017-11-19 20:17 GMT+00:00 R0b0t1 : > Hello friends! > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Philip Webb > wrote: > > 171119 James Le Cuirot wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:50:20 -0500 > >> Philip Webb wrote: > >>> 171118 David Seifert wrote: > >>>> As the Games team does not have enough manpower to keep tabs on all > >>>> games packages, we have dropped all games-* ebuilds to unstable > >>>> keywords (modulo those required by stable non-games packages). > >>> Isn't this overkill in the absence of widespread bug reports for games > ? > >>> 'Stable' doesn't mean well-maintained, > >>> but in the tree for some time & no serious bug reports. > >> There are plenty of bug reports for games. > > > > What percentage of games pkgs have bugs ? > > I too would like some clarification on the standards being used. > > > Marking all games 'unstable' still seems to be overkill. > > > > To add to this, it is unlikely the situation will improve until it is > made easier for people to contribute. If one is not aware there is a > tendency for Gentoo-related issues to receive blog posts addressing > them, or to be passed down via word of mouth on IRC, or to be hidden > in a hard-to-find (and/or index) page of the Wiki. > > The most likely explanation for this state of affairs is that getting > contributions accepted into the main tree is too hard. > > It is one thing to say that contributions to the main Portage tree > require some standards to be upheld, but these standards do not seem > to be applied consistently. For example, crossdev, genkernel, and the > bootstrap-prefix and bootstrap-rap scripts are more or less > unmaintainable disasters. Crossdev in particular oscillates between > periods of relative stability and extreme brokenness, and the > bootstrap scripts are poorly explained with no extant documentation > and a workflow that does not clearly fit into Gentoo (or more properly > Portage) development at large. Other ebuilds may simply install low > quality software, or install software that is hard to manage with > Portage. > > Respectfully, > R0b0t1 > > --001a1140df26c3c936055e5e9d84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
can't affect me as I am not into games ; but I have tr= ied some on kde , they seems to work fine.
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2017-11-19 20:17 GMT+00:00 R0b0t1 <r030t1@g= mail.com>:
Hello friends!
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 171119 James Le Cuirot wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:50:20 -0500
>> Philip Webb <purslow@ca= .inter.net> wrote:
>>> 171118 David Seifert wrote:
>>>> As the Games team does not have enough manpower to keep ta= bs on all
>>>> games packages, we have dropped all games-* ebuilds to uns= table
>>>> keywords (modulo those required by stable non-games packag= es).
>>> Isn't this overkill in the absence of widespread bug repor= ts for games ?
>>> 'Stable' doesn't mean well-maintained,
>>> but in the tree for some time & no serious bug reports. >> There are plenty of bug reports for games.
>
> What percentage of games pkgs have bugs ?

I too would like some clarification on the standards being used.

> Marking all games 'unstable' still seems to be overkill.
>

To add to this, it is unlikely the situation will improve until it i= s
made easier for people to contribute. If one is not aware there is a
tendency for Gentoo-related issues to receive blog posts addressing
them, or to be passed down via word of mouth on IRC, or to be hidden
in a hard-to-find (and/or index) page of the Wiki.

The most likely explanation for this state of affairs is that getting
contributions accepted into the main tree is too hard.

It is one thing to say that contributions to the main Portage tree
require some standards to be upheld, but these standards do not seem
to be applied consistently. For example, crossdev, genkernel, and the
bootstrap-prefix and bootstrap-rap scripts are more or less
unmaintainable disasters. Crossdev in particular oscillates between
periods of relative stability and extreme brokenness, and the
bootstrap scripts are poorly explained with no extant documentation
and a workflow that does not clearly fit into Gentoo (or more properly
Portage) development at large. Other ebuilds may simply install low
quality software, or install software that is hard to manage with
Portage.

Respectfully,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0R0b0t1


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